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To report dsis/ bil to rspca

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LittleLionMansMummy · 12/09/2016 19:09

For overfeeding their dog.

I'm not being spiteful, bil has previous 'form' for this. Their last dog had a whole host of health problems associated with being obese and had no quality of life for several years before she finally had to be put to sleep. She just lay there huffing and puffing, barely able to stand. She was never spayed because the vet refused to do the op until she lost enough weight. She never did. Bil fed her sausage rolls, chocolate, crisps, all the human leftovers etc. Dsis told him to stop, he ignored her. I told him to stop. We were all very clear that what he was doing was not kind but killing her - slowly and cruelly. He ignored everyone and even seemed to relish continuing to do it against other people's advice/ concern. He made jokes about it.

So she died. Bil was devastated, went a little bit weird about it (think garden shrine, deep depression, no interest in wife and kids etc). They ended up getting another dog - male, same breed. I saw the dog at the weekend and it's already overweight (a year old) and clearly heading down the same route. Bil has already started sneaking complete junk into his food bowl. So, knowing that he's taken absolutely no notice before and continues to behave exactly the same, even against my sister's wishes, wibu to report them to the rspca?

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Happyinthehazeofadrunkenhour · 12/09/2016 19:58

Awwww he sounds like he loves his dog! Wouldn't class this as abuse..(imagine if it was the other way around and he was starving his dog!!..then I would encourage RSPCA involvement.) He does however need educating re over feeding. How about getting a Vet/vet nurse to have a chat about his dogs diet?

RiverTam · 12/09/2016 19:58

Why is your DSis still living with this cruel abusive arsehole? She is absolutely complicit, I'm afraid. She should leave with the dog, or take the dog to a rescue centre.

Maybe if people starting telling her that she was aided and abetting BIL's behaviour then she might wake up to her own place in all this?

0pti0na1 · 12/09/2016 19:59

Yes, report. The RSPCA say "If in doubt always contact us and set your mind at rest."

The RSPCA have a "cruelty checklist" on their website. They believe animals should have "a proper diet" and "protection from, and treatment of, illness and injury" (which would include not being fed junk food and chocolate which is toxic to dogs). So if you report this, you could tell them how these are being breached. Mention the dog which died as well.

www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/contactus/reportcruelty/crueltychecklist

SlightlyperturbedOwl · 12/09/2016 20:02

can you suggest to your sister that she looks to re-home the dog on the grounds that it's cruel and she won't stand by and watch it happen again? Or would she not be that sensible? She could say they aren't getting another one until he has got help and dealt with his issues.
Alternatively some vets run weight-watchers type groups for dogs for similar reasons- could she look into that?

DietCockBreak · 12/09/2016 20:02

What breed is it? Could your SIL exercise it more (a LOT more) or is it a breed that can't take too much walking/running?

Veterinari · 12/09/2016 20:11

Happy this is indeed abuse, and illegal under the Animal Welfare act. Pet obesity is a huge crisis in the veterinary world, and causes significant suffering to animals that are also often under exercised and behaviourally deprived. Unfortunately it's the food = love attitude which is supporting ill health and early death in our pets.

WeAllHaveWings · 12/09/2016 20:11

your dbil obviously has issues and shouldn't keep a dog, but your dsis is just as much to blame.

of course she have the power to influence things, she can start by removing and rehoming the dog and telling dbil he cannot have another.

StrangeLookingParasite · 12/09/2016 20:13

Awwww he sounds like he loves his dog! Wouldn't class this as abuse

This isn't love. And it is abuse.
It's revolting. I'd take the dog away. That poor girl (the first dog).
When we got our Burmese girls (cats) we were warned to make sure they didn't gain too much weight because this breed has a tendancy to diabetes if overfed. (Ironically, my beautiful tortoiseshell girl died a month ago, from renal disease, after completely stopping eating. Am bereft.). So we were careful, because that's what you do when you genuinely care for an animal.

TattyCat · 12/09/2016 20:16

Agree over-feeding isn't caring or love. It's abuse and should be reported. Unfortunately, if the dog is removed by the RSPCA then he's likely to just go and get another and the cycle continues. Sad.

Jonsnowsghost · 12/09/2016 20:17

Happy - this IS abuse. Being overweight has far more risks than being underweight, increased chance of diabetes, organ failure and cancer amongst other things. People are so used to seeing overweight animals these days that an animal that is a good weight would be seen as skinny and 'abused'. It is far far better to be slightly underweight than to carry any extra weight.

People seriously need educating on the risks of animal obesity but unfortunately vets have to be very careful with what they say to owners as they can get offended and often nothing will be done.

Wolfiefan · 12/09/2016 20:18

I would report the feeding of a toxic substance (chocolate) and over feeding to the point of making an animal sick. Why doesn't your sister walk the dog and insist he stops or gets it rehomed?!

WhereYouLeftIt · 12/09/2016 20:22

So your BIL is going to feed the dog to death and won't listen to anyone. Where is your sister in all this? This is happening in her home, in front of her eyes! 'All that is necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing' so what is she doing? And yes, I know it should be BIL doing the right thing, but you're pretty clear that that's not going to happen. So she needs to step in, save the dog from him and get it rehomed. And demolish the fucking garden shrine, it's a hypocrisy given that he killed the dog Angry.

Truckingalong · 12/09/2016 20:24

I'd find a way to get the dog out of there. Borrow it and say it slipped out of its collar and legged it. Then take it to a rehoming centre miles away and hand it in. No way could I sit back and watch this happen.

chocolateworshipper · 12/09/2016 20:32

I would say phone the RSPCA. I know many people have said that they won't do anything but I think it depends how busy they are when you phone. They once came out when my young daughters phoned up to say a wild bird had become caught in some netting (I was amazed that they came out) and they also helped when a neighbour was leaving a dog home alone for long periods of time. Worth trying.

ThymeLord · 12/09/2016 20:37

How on earth does it sound like he loves his dog happy?

He killed the last one and made its last years of life a struggle. He feeds a known poison to his pet. He doesn't walk the dog and meet its exercise needs. That's abuse.

BarbarianMum · 12/09/2016 20:45

Thyme lots of people hurt those they love through misplaced affection. Do you think the parents who feed their children into obesity don't love them? What about people who enable their partner's drinking addiction? Humans can be quite complicated and fucked up about these things.

LittleLionMansMummy · 12/09/2016 20:49

A lot to think about and a few things to respond to thanks!

There's a (20 year) back story and while I didn't intend to drip feed it hadn't really occurred to me that this behaviour is probably part of it.

Dsis works full time to support him and their 2 kids. She works in a high paid professional job and has worked hard to get there. I don't know anyone who works harder - at everything.

He's been out of work persistently, with occasional glimmers of hope, for several years. But he now has a part time job (16 hours a week). She probably (rightly) thinks that as she's working so many hours, she shouldn't have to come home, collect the kids, sort the kids' homework out (which she invariably does) and walk the dog. She will have a go at him, he either switches off entirely and ignores her telling her what a nag she's being or promises he'll change.

I agree that dsis is complicit, but it's very hard to explain the kind of relationship they have without sounding mean spirited. He most definitely does have issues and I would say is heavily abusing alcohol and has done so for most of their married life. Dsis is a 'stand by your man' type who is very loyal and patient with him. Every so often she'll challenge him about something (lack of work, drinking too much, overfeeding the dog etc) and he'll give lots of excuses why he does it, promises things will be different, goes through some motions etc before reverting quite quickly to old ways. He tells her what she wants to hear, she believes it will all change, and then plods along the same route until she realises nothing has changed and something sparks it again.

I do think there's an element of depression and with the drinking it's a vicious circle - whenever he gets a job, he begins to look for reasons to justify to dsis why he can no longer do it. The excuses are usually pretty unbelievable to an outsider. He quits/ loses the job and drinking fulls his days again, he gets depressed again. But he has held down a job before for a number of years and when he puts his mind to something he can be very hardworking.

I have no doubt that he had a shitty start to life. On the plus side, he can be very generous, sensitive and loving. But he can also be a bit of a bully (verbally) and very stubborn and manipulative.

He knows that his childhood wasn't great, somewhere deep down knows it's left its mark on him, but blames other situations and people instead and has never sought help.

I'm not sure my dsis knows (she definitely doesn't admit it) how damaged he is or sees his actions as odd any more - she's got used to it.

The more I write and read back, the more I realise the problems are quite severe and nobody can resolve them except dsis and bil. But I just don't think either of them have the strength to make permanent changes. As a sister, it all feels a bit hopeless actually, especially as I know she'll never open up, admit there are huge problems and ask for help. She's exceptionally private and loyal to him, to the point where she is deluding herself about their entire relationship and family life. Sad

I don't think reporting to the rspca is going to solve the root problem and will probably serve to drive dsis further away. Bil will use it as a way of convincing her that everyone else has the problem, but not him. She'd be hurt by my actions, he'd capitalise on that.

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ThymeLord · 12/09/2016 20:50

He doesn't walk the dog either. I don't know why you've decided that he must have complex problems when he just sounds like a bog standard neglectful owner.

Seeyouontheotherside · 12/09/2016 22:11

Barbarian; I have the misfortune of knowing some feeders very well (former inlaws). Eventually I realised that feederism is to them what heroin is to a heroin addict. They know but they truly don't care that they are harming their children, they don't care for the consequences they know they are inflicting, you can tell them a million times and they'll smirk and shrug it off because no, they don't love anybody more than the pleasure they get from feeding someone to death. That is all they love. Their children (or pets in this case) are merely objects to get their fix. They are incapable of seeing or empathising with anybody outside themselves because they have no love for anything but their addiction.

That is how they slowly disable and kill their children. They do it knowingly and with pleasure. That is no more love than someone who gets their kicks from beating or raping....abuse is abuse and getting pleasure from abusing someone is sign of a sadistic nature. Even if they're smiling sweetly while doing it. There is nothing sweet underneath.

powershowerforanhour · 12/09/2016 22:36

I bet the back story is relevant here. Even if subconscious I reckon it'll be something like, "Everyone is always telling me what to do in every aspect of my life. Well fuck them, I can do what I like with MY dog". This is one relationship where he has power. The dog (is it a lab?) begs for food; he controls the food. He feels benevolent and powerful doling out the food to the ever grateful dog. The dog knows he is the source of food, plus dogs tend to attach to the person who is around the most anyway. So the grateful slave dog follows him around worshipping the master. He interprets this as "See, it loves me the best". He has "won" the competition for the dog's undying love. Everything else in his life, including alcohol, is the boss of him but the dog is subservient to him.
The more he feeds it and the more fat and therefore disabled it becomes, the less it is willing and capable of doing other things like going for a walk with somebody else, hopping up to see if the postman is here, independently trotting off down the garden to spend time sniffing about on its own. It becomes more and more dependent on him so his feeling of power grows, and he can justify it to himself as love.

ArnoldRimmerBSc · 12/09/2016 22:43

What breed of dog is it? Most dogs would go crazy without proper exercise, especially a one year old.

LittleLionMansMummy · 12/09/2016 23:42

It's a Labrador.

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5OBalesofHay · 13/09/2016 00:10

The RSPCA won't give a shiney one. They are not about animal welfare. Just political campaigns.