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to ask if size 14-16 at almost 5'8 is "fat"?

223 replies

CoolToned · 10/09/2016 01:09

Is it?

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PickAChew · 10/09/2016 11:13

We're on a very similar journey with sugar, rookie. Haven't had to do much else to reach my calorie goal.

And the daft thing is, I never had a sweet tooth when I was younger.

CoolToned · 10/09/2016 11:14

I'm almost aways low-carb and sugarfree too (well, not today :P). I find that I really need to lower my calories to lose weight otherwise I maintain/gain.

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PickAChew · 10/09/2016 14:00

I am late 40s, answer, so well past the stage in life when I could eat anything and everything and not feel any lasting effects.

MolesBreathless · 10/09/2016 14:13

Threads like this completely baffle me...at my heaviest, I had a BMI of 24.5 (so on the cusp of overweight)

I'm of average height and build and was very comfortably in a size 10.

Even allowing for differences in body composition, a size 14 or above is almost certainly overweight...why do we pussyfoot around this issue so much?

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 10/09/2016 14:31

moles

I dont think people are pussy footing around per se

I think there is quite a variation on the actual sizes of a 14, some people will also be wearing a 14 which is baggy or very tight and some people wont be fat in 14

I am fat if i am in a 14, someone up thread said they are obese and wear a 16. I wear size 16 tops and i am not obese (yet)

JamieVardysParty · 10/09/2016 14:47

Agree Rufus. It also depends on where people shop. Even at my biggest where I was a 14 in most high street shops, I was a 10 in M&S, Next and the supermarkets.

If you live in leggings and a baggy tshirt, you can probably trick yourself into thinking you are still a 12,14,16 etc when in reality you will be bigger.

Emergencyigloo · 10/09/2016 14:54

We all know dress size labels are on pills.

In Matalan, a size 18 skirt is a good fit on me, well, a little bit roomy but a better fit than a 16, yet I can fit in a size 12-14 dress in New Look, and a size 10 top in New Look!

I'm five eight or nine and weigh almost 13 stone. In this photo I'm in a size 12 top and size 16 jeans. But those sizes are irrelevant, because if I bought the same jeans or top in another shop, the size labels would probably be completely different!

to ask if size 14-16 at almost 5'8 is "fat"?
alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2016 15:03

i'm 5ft 9, just over 14.5 stone having lost nearly two stone with Cambridge. Considered fat.. BMI not yet in range.. I look 'big' rather than overly plump I'd say but unfortunately it all tends to go to my very round face so I really want to lose a couple more. I don't go by labels/ brands! I work in a charity shop and so see every day how much sizes differ!

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2016 15:03

oh I"m a 16 BTW , was a 20. though some brands I need an 18

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2016 15:04

(as I'm a G cup and they don't change)

Sugarandsalt · 10/09/2016 15:13

Clothes today are much stretchier though. I tried on jeans in topshop in a 30 and 32 last week. The 32 fit more comfortably in shop, but I bought the 30 which was slightly tight around the hips because I know from experience they would be looser after a wear (I'm currently wearing an older 32 in the same jeans and I can pull them down without opening, they keep slipping down).

Dogcatred · 10/09/2016 15:32

People should go by weight not size and also b y waist size. Is your waist size in inches halved is the same or less than your height in inches? If so you're fine.

So 5 foot 5 say (65 inches) halved = 32.5 inches. If your waist is that or less fine. If not might be a good idea to lose some weight.

Runningupthathill82 · 10/09/2016 15:35

Threads like this always go the same way.

OP asks a straightforward question, lots of people get offended, people queue up to say BMI is rubbish "because bodybuilders", everybody gets sidetracked by vanity sizing and we end up going round in circles.

There's so much emotion involved in the whole thing, and with different people having different definitions of "fat" nobody is ever going to agree.

There is a national problem with obesity and threads like this illustrate why it's so hard to tackle it. People get so upset around the words "fat" or "overweight" that it's impossible to have a conversation without it descending into hyperbole.

It's always refreshing to be around groups of runners (I presume other sportspeople are the same? I'm quoting runners because I know lots) because they tend to talk very honestly about any weight gain and how it impacts on their performance.
They might say "I've gained 7lb, it's on my tummy, and I need to shift it" without any emotion attached. It's a frank and factual approach.

Whereas in the general population it would be more "I've gained 7lb, I feel fat and it's really getting me down."
In the first example, you can reply to the runner and talk about ways to shift that weight. But in the second example that person is upset, they've told you they feel crap - they want support and reassurance they still look great, not a conversation on healthy eating.

Most people, IME, find it difficult to talk openly and honestly about weight. Which from a public health perspective is disastrous.

To answer your question OP, yes I would probably consider a size 14-16 person at 5ft 8ins to be "fat." But it doesn't matter what I think or what anyone else thinks. All that matters is if you're healthy and if you feel good at the size you are. If not, change it.

Dozer · 10/09/2016 15:35

I'm that height and size 14, BMI just over 25, so am overweight, and waist measurement well into the red range in the diabetes UK tape measure! Boo.

Statelychangers · 10/09/2016 15:45

I'm 5ft 8in, at size 16 my BMI was still in the healthy range - but I didn't feel slim.

KneeQuestion · 10/09/2016 15:47

Even allowing for differences in body composition, a size 14 or above is almost certainly overweight...why do we pussyfoot around this issue so much?

No

Body shape has a big bearing on dress size, more so than weight.

At 5'9" and size 14-16 I am not overweight, I am within the 'healthy' range of BMI.

I have broad hips, a big protruding bum and fleshy thighs. 'Curvey' 'hourglass' whatever you want to call it. I go in at the waist and dont tend to collect fat on my tummy area.

I exercise, eat a reasonably balanced diet and most importantly...I like my body.

If I were something like a size 10-12 I would look ill, someone else might look fine at the same height and a size 10-12 but thats because we are all different.

I am always amazed at these threads!

Thefitfatty · 10/09/2016 16:00

I'm anywhere from a size 10 to a size 16 in shops. I am a stone overweight. I have a large frame and I build muscle easily. My stomach is a hot mess from diastasis recti and 2 c-sections but otherwise I run 5 k in 25 minutes and bench 70 lbs. I'm not thin but anyone suggesting I'm not healthy can go fuck themselves.

to ask if size 14-16 at almost 5'8 is "fat"?
to ask if size 14-16 at almost 5'8 is "fat"?
SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 10/09/2016 16:01

I'm 5ft 9 and currently wear size 14 tops and size 16 jeans & trousers.

I am losing weight, and have already come down from 20st 3lbs to 13st 9lbs. I used to wear a size 24 (and most were tight).

I don't consider myself fat as such anymore, because compared to how I used to be, I'm not. I do still consider myself to be overweight though, and certainly not slim!

I have another 2st to lose ideally, so would hope to go down to maybe a size 10/12?

Incidentally, I tried what I thought was a size 18 top on in New Look about 3 months ago - it fitted but was a little snug. Closer inspection of the label showed that it was a size 10 on the wrong hanger! Now, that was crazy vanity sizing!

Jaimx86 · 10/09/2016 16:14

Emergency - You've got a brilliant bum!!!

MyWineTime · 10/09/2016 16:19

I will probably be hated for this, but I think size 14-16 at any height is overweight.
That's just rubbish. You can't go by dress size.
I'm 6ft tall, size 14-16 and have a BMI of 21.6, very comfortably in the middle of healthy weight.

eurochick · 10/09/2016 16:24

I agree with Moles - a lot of people on this thread are kidding themselves. As a society I think we have forgotten what "normal" is.

KoalaDownUnder · 10/09/2016 16:31

Everyone's just finished saying that BMI is 'rubbish' though.

It can't be both. Confused

JamieVardysParty · 10/09/2016 16:39

I don't see how BMI, for the average person, is rubbish. I doubt that most people on here are under 5ft or over 6ft 2 or are a professional athlete/bodybuilder.

For the average person, BMI is a good indicator. I think people just like excuses and to justify them being overweight by rubbishing it. When I got to 24.8 on the BMI scale, that coincided with me feeling fat and not comfortable in my clothes. I'm now 23.8 and feel a bit more comfortable but know I look best and feel happiest personally at 20.5 - 22.

fluffiphlox · 10/09/2016 16:46

I'm 5'8" and a size 16/18 depending. I am working on it and have moved from'obese' to merely 'overweight' on the BMI chart. Grin

dudsville · 10/09/2016 16:50

I'm 5'7" and a size 14 - my weight is just a few pounds into the over weight category for the BMI. I will lose the 5 lbs because I don't like being in the over weight category, but no more than that. The way my weight is distributed I feel curvy, hourglass, and when I am thinner I am pear shaped, which I don't like.