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to feel bullied over breastfeeding

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user1473451513 · 09/09/2016 21:12

I'm posting a letter I'm sending to my government representatives and was interested to hear others' views on it. I'm in Scotland so no sure how pertinent it is for other parts of the UK or indeed around the world. I want to point out from the offset I am not anti breastfeeding, I am anti bullying.

I write to express my concern, disappointment and upset with regards to a government instigated bullying campaign. This is an issue which has been at the forefront for some time now and causes much angst for all affected. It is the issue of breastfeeding.
I can assure you that I fully understand all the health benefits of breastfeeding, both physical and emotional and there is no doubting that breastfeeding is the healthier option. However, those who do not breastfeed their children are made to feel inferior and I feel that this is a deliberate government policy to create stigma.
When I was pregnant with my son, I was fully intending to breastfeed, I had listened to and read about all the benefits and how it was the best choice for me and my baby. It wasn’t until much later on I realised just how little information I had been given about formula feeding. At the antenatal classes, there was very little discussion around formula feeding and the general information given was something along the lines of ‘make sure your bottles are sterilised’. I also began to realise just how little space in the ‘Ready, Steady, Baby’ book was dedicated to formula feeding versus the wealth of space given over to breastfeeding.
As good as my intentions were, it simply was not to be. I had been trying my absolute best and had completely exhausted myself trying to make it a success. Although I was making every effort to make it work, my son did not take to the breast at all. He got upset and distressed and through this I got upset and distressed. It began to affect my mental health and it was at this point we decided that the best option for us was to switch to formula feeding.
I could not believe it when my health visitor at my six week check demanded to know exactly when I stopped breast feeding – I had to tell her how old my son was when I stopped. To the very day. I was made to feel completely incompetent and was told that I should be getting myself along to the breastfeeding cafes or getting help from the breastfeeding support worker. I did not want this. I wanted to stop breastfeeding but this seemed to be deemed the worst decision ever.
I finally realised today that there is a government ploy to force women into breastfeeding and it was the most innocuous of discussions that made this clear to me. After discussion with a very kind sales assistant in Boots Chemists, I enquired as to why I wasn’t getting Advantage Card points for the baby milk and she told me that it was a government directive to ‘encourage’ women to breastfeed. I don’t feel encouraged to breastfeed – I feel like I am not good enough because I am not breastfeeding my son. I am made to feel that I am missing out and my son is missing out too.
I can assure you my son is healthy, happy and growing well. He gets all the nourishment he needs from his formula milk. I have formed a strong, close bond with him which has developed without breastfeeding.
I know many women feel this way and are victimised for making the correct choices for themselves and their babies. However, it seems that the government wants to tell us what the correct choices are and enforce them upon us. Because of this brainwashing, I find it very difficult to speak out about my feelings as so many people – mums and non-mums alike have been conditioned to believe that breastfeeding is the only way to go and if you’re not exclusively feeding your child yourself then you are the worst mum ever.
In closing, I would like to understand why the government are anti-choice when it comes to the matter of breastfeeding and why mothers who choose not to breastfeed their children are made to feel inadequate. I would like to know why a healthy balance of pros and cons of both formula and breast feeding is absent from any government pregnancy propaganda. I would like to know why I have been made to feel like it would be impossible to speak my mind about the topic and why my free speech is being stifled.
I look forward to reading your response.
Yours sincerely

user1473451513
Proud Formula Feeding Mum

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 12:33

"Why can you not bare that someone else is proud they BF their child? It has absolutely nothing to do with you."

I applaud you. But you should have the sensitivity to take it elsewhere.

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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 15/09/2016 12:35

"The gut wrenching thing is struggling, wanting desperately to keep BF, trying to do it through discomfort and worse. And getting cats bum faces off every hcp because you've made the heartbreaking decision to stop because (in my case) maternal health is nose diving (Ms relapse which could have been spotted if they weren't so busy telling me to try harder at BF). That's my story - there will be others from posters on here and elsewhere which could have been avoided with proper care not snarky tick box care."

Thanks that's utterly rubbish. No mother should be judged for how she feeds her child, the HCP you had the misfortune to encounter sound unprofessional and uneducated on the topic of BF. Judging is not on least of all from a HCP, totally undermines the relationship with your midwife / HV. I

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BiddyPop · 15/09/2016 12:36

I have a dear friend who is a BF advocate and agrees with it. But found she physically couldn't - problems with latch, tongue tie, various issues meant that on all 3 of her DCs, she physically was unable to BF.

In fairness to her, she rented a hospital grade pump, and managed breast milk bottles for 6 months on each. At which point, she gave up being the dairy cow, as she called herself, and handed back the pump each time.

So she had the added difficulty of bottles and sterilizing, and sterilizing the pump, while having to watch what she ate/drank/meds etc and got mastitis four times.

I know she was made to feel pretty damn inadequate on numerous occasions - although she did her absolute best. And there was almost no support at ALL out there for people in her situation - she wasn't suitable for LLL or similar, as she wasn't actually BFing, she didn't get support from PHN as she wasn't actually BFing and they weren't interested in helping her with advice on bottles etc - it was the few mums she met around the place in similar situations (and meeting a nurse who tended to deal with premies and support Mums of those premiespumping) who were able to help her.

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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 15/09/2016 12:38

Well done for complaining, I'm glad they took it seriously. I think they failed in their care for you (as a patent / mother / individual) especially as you have MS / history of MS. Their behaviour was careless and unprofessional to say the least. A repeat myself nobody, least of all the health sector ought judge mother for how they feed their babies, as long as their babies are fed adequately. Doing so is undermines patient dignity, causes harm and is morally very wrong.

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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 15/09/2016 12:39

NCT are good with advise on pumping, some NCT branches even rent out professional pumps.

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 12:41

Thank you for Flowers

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Writerwannabe83 · 15/09/2016 12:43

Well done you. But this isn't a thread for people who want to shout their success. It is a thread for people who have struggled, who feel the little support they received was tantamount to bullying and who are angry that they are treated like failures for struggling.

Maybe those of us who do BF should start a thread about all the nasty comments we've had about our choice and the 'bullying' we've received with regards to why we are silly/wrong/martyrish/selfish to breast feed etc....

Like I said earlier, the ill feeling works both ways.

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 12:49

Writer - not stopping you and if I heard anyone giving you crap about BF, I would tell them to stick it.

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 12:50

And writer, giving up BF is rarely a "choice" rtft.

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Writerwannabe83 · 15/09/2016 12:56

I have read the thread, I didn't realise that I had said giving up breast feeding was a choice?

When I spoke about the word choice I meant my decision to breast feed over giving formula.

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Runningupthathill82 · 15/09/2016 12:58

I chose to breastfeed over giving formula, too. The shame was that DD didn't make the same choice.

It would be a lot simpler if it were really down to "choice", wouldn't it.

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 12:59

The op and many others , myself included, chose BF over ff from the outset but struggled and got no help. Again rtft.

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 13:01

Touchingly put, running.

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Writerwannabe83 · 15/09/2016 13:16

I know that free - I HAVE read the thread!!

I'm talking about it in reference to women who have no wish to BF from the start (for whatever reason) and instead choose to FF their baby. My colleague at work is of this disposition (first baby due in 2 months) and I was merely talking about it in reference to a topic a few pages back where a discussion was being had about how some pregnant women want to try breast feeding whereas others don't.

When I refer to the 'choice' I solely mean whether women choose to FF or BF from the outset.

For the last 5 years of my job I have worked with supporting breast feeding mothers, and the last two years especially my role has become more more specialised so I know how difficult some women have it and all the emotional complexities of having no option but to give FF if BF doesn't work out for whatever reason.

What I find from my own experience, and from talking to clients and colleagues at work, is that when BF isn't established well at the start the answer is to just give formula and women who want to persevere with the BF are sometimes being viewed as martyrish or their desire to breast feed is downplayed or ridiculed when they could "just give formula instead".

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 13:22

Find another thread. Read the op. This is not about the many benefits of BF. We all know it on this thread which is why we all wanted to BF. It's about the pathetic and often devastating lack of support when you struggle with BF.

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monkeymamma · 15/09/2016 13:27

Agree with earlier 'lip service' comments really. When I was in hospital with dc2 the night midwife tried to give him a bottle, and really did bully me about it. 'He won't settle until his tummy is full', 'you are disturbing the other mums on the ward'. He was two fucking hours old and trying to latch/learning to feed! I'd done bf with my first boy so I knew I needed to be patient and just keep letting him suck. Midwife had no patience with him/us. The irony was there was only one other mum on the ward and they were waking her (and her baby) every hour anyway to try and get her baby to suckle. Maybe the headline here is that people just love bullying new mums whatever they do, ha.
What pissed me off the most is that she put 'baby +++ distressed' in my notes for the night. Fck off, I know the difference between a distressed baby and one who's just hungry and frustrated that it's taking him a few hours to get the hang of it! It gets to me, because my memory of our first night together (after an amazing birth) is that it was lovely and snuggly and amazing that he got the hang of it all by morning. But she had to kind of piss on my chips purely out of spite cos I wouldn't let her give baby some premix formula. And the ward had posters everywhere about 'don't ask midwives about help mixing formula because we are a pro breastfeeding hospital'. Grrrrrr. Rant over.

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Writerwannabe83 · 15/09/2016 13:29

free - where have I listed any benefits of BF?

I'm in complete agreement with you about the shit support there is out there for women trying to breastfeed. Like I said, my job is supporting women trying to breast feed so I know how crap things are out there.

I'm not too sure why you're being so attacking towards me actually?

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freetrampolineforall · 15/09/2016 13:38

"Maybe those of us who do BF should start a thread about all the nasty comments we've had about our choice and the 'bullying' we've received with regards to why we are silly/wrong/martyrish/selfish to breast feed etc...."
Like I said earlier, the ill feeling works both ways."

A bit of an attempt to derail the thread . There are plenty of voices on mn criticising the lack of BF culture in this country. But not enough voices saying that women are bullied about BF to just try harder without proper support. I experienced this with devastating consequences. So do many pp.
There are many many things that are wrong with the way new mums are supported. This is one that rarely gets attention.

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Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 15/09/2016 13:49

"It gets to me, because my memory of our first night together (after an amazing birth) is that it was lovely and snuggly and amazing that he got the hang of it all by morning. But she had to kind of piss on my chips purely out of spite cos I wouldn't let her give baby some premix formula."

Without wanting to derail the thread, this struck a chord with me, in that what was written in my notes were very different from my memory. When my son was readmitted with severe dehydration and everyone was trying to get my milk to come in I was hooked up to an industrial pump every few hours. Trouble was, the first midwife had taught me to use it incorrectly and for the first night it never actually completed a cycle. When this was finally spotted, it was written in my notes that I had been using the pump incorrectly, despite me making very clear that I was doing what I'd been shown and having long discussions about it. The arse-covering patient-blaming when I was at my most vulnerable did piss me off a bit, as did my lack of a right to reply about it. (I only got to read my notes when I was finally discharged, and by then it didn't seem worth the hassle to get it corrected - I just wanted out of that hell hole).

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 15/09/2016 13:50

*What are you taking about Lass? Why so defensive? What's sanctimonious in my post? It's pretty factual, no?
Have you read the bit where I said i BF and ff, / mixed fed no judgement from me. But ff is artificial food. This fact won't change because of wishful thinking

Oh such wide eyed innocence.
Do you get a kick out of this? Make you feel superior?

Just carry on spouting about "artificial". We all know formula is not breast milk. We all know what formula means.

Or are you suggesting that as well as being selfish any one who does not bf is stupid too? And it needs to be explaoned by you?

The so called "feeding counsellor " at the NCT basically told me I was selfish after 3 months of unmitigated hell of bf.

"breast is best for baby" was her constant, witless parroting. She was one of the stupidest people I've ever met.

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Runningupthathill82 · 15/09/2016 14:25

She was one of the stupidest people I've ever met
I wonder if she was the same feeding counsellor I came across while going through hell with DD.
A tt snip had made a bad situation worse, in that she'd gone from an awful latch to no latch at all.
I was struggling to express every 3 hours, day and night, with a newborn and a toddler, to try and get some supply back so DD got at least some breastmilk.

Anyway, the counsellor said she couldn't lend me a hospital grade pump as they didn't do that any more, and instead advised I up my woeful milk supply by "thinking about my husband" when I pumped.

She was also incredulous when I showed her how DD made no effort to latch at all, as if it was all somehow my fault. I don't think she liked the fact that I demonstrated that no, not all babies can breastfeed. I think it ruined her "it works for anyone if you try hard enough" message.
She couldn't get us out of that group fast enough, lest DD and I might scare the other mums with my talk of failed tt snips and all-night pumping sessions.

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CecilyP · 15/09/2016 14:41

^In the UK only 1 in 200 mothers manage to breastfeed for 12 months without using any formula. In America where women only get 4 weeks maternity leave that figure is 27 in 200!
Surely those statistics alone tell is that breastfeeding is not actively encouraged enough.^

I don't think it tells you anything of the kind. Loads of women give up breastfeeding at around 10 or 11 months. It has nothing to do with encouraging breastfeeding of the new born.

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reallyanotherone · 15/09/2016 15:12

Oh it's "encouraged" enough.

Issue is there's very few people who know what normal breastfeeding looks like. Which, usually, is feeding all the time.

The amount of people i know gave up bf because they thought they had supply problems because baby didn't go three hours between feeds, or wanted to feed all night, or couldn't get bf established because of bad advice to try and get them to go longer between feeds- topping up, expressing etc. Or even little things like expressing to increase supply, when actually feeding will have more effect.

Nearly everyone i spoke to when i bf had a "supply issue" which meant they "couldn't" bf. When they elaborated it was usually crap advice which led them to believe this.

Then that crap advice gets perpetuated when they tell their friends. It's also difficult to correct- i can't tell someone that actually, that is completely normal, supply was likely fine, without fucking up their own justification for bottle feeding and making them feel crap.

I think regardless of breast or botte, we need to move away from the entrenched ideas that normal is 4 hourly feeding and sleeping through at 6 weeks. And that anything else means the baby is "starving". It also applies with ff, with hungry baby formulas and rusks in bottles, because a baby not going 4 hours between feeds is hungry and not getting enough milk...

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CecilyP · 15/09/2016 15:21

Seriously? That sounds like something from the 1960s. Surely feeding on demand has been normal for years - DS is 30 and it was already normal when he was born.

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MyBreadIsEggy · 15/09/2016 15:29

What reallyanotherone said with bells, foghorns and nobs on!!

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