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to feel bullied over breastfeeding

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user1473451513 · 09/09/2016 21:12

I'm posting a letter I'm sending to my government representatives and was interested to hear others' views on it. I'm in Scotland so no sure how pertinent it is for other parts of the UK or indeed around the world. I want to point out from the offset I am not anti breastfeeding, I am anti bullying.

I write to express my concern, disappointment and upset with regards to a government instigated bullying campaign. This is an issue which has been at the forefront for some time now and causes much angst for all affected. It is the issue of breastfeeding.
I can assure you that I fully understand all the health benefits of breastfeeding, both physical and emotional and there is no doubting that breastfeeding is the healthier option. However, those who do not breastfeed their children are made to feel inferior and I feel that this is a deliberate government policy to create stigma.
When I was pregnant with my son, I was fully intending to breastfeed, I had listened to and read about all the benefits and how it was the best choice for me and my baby. It wasn’t until much later on I realised just how little information I had been given about formula feeding. At the antenatal classes, there was very little discussion around formula feeding and the general information given was something along the lines of ‘make sure your bottles are sterilised’. I also began to realise just how little space in the ‘Ready, Steady, Baby’ book was dedicated to formula feeding versus the wealth of space given over to breastfeeding.
As good as my intentions were, it simply was not to be. I had been trying my absolute best and had completely exhausted myself trying to make it a success. Although I was making every effort to make it work, my son did not take to the breast at all. He got upset and distressed and through this I got upset and distressed. It began to affect my mental health and it was at this point we decided that the best option for us was to switch to formula feeding.
I could not believe it when my health visitor at my six week check demanded to know exactly when I stopped breast feeding – I had to tell her how old my son was when I stopped. To the very day. I was made to feel completely incompetent and was told that I should be getting myself along to the breastfeeding cafes or getting help from the breastfeeding support worker. I did not want this. I wanted to stop breastfeeding but this seemed to be deemed the worst decision ever.
I finally realised today that there is a government ploy to force women into breastfeeding and it was the most innocuous of discussions that made this clear to me. After discussion with a very kind sales assistant in Boots Chemists, I enquired as to why I wasn’t getting Advantage Card points for the baby milk and she told me that it was a government directive to ‘encourage’ women to breastfeed. I don’t feel encouraged to breastfeed – I feel like I am not good enough because I am not breastfeeding my son. I am made to feel that I am missing out and my son is missing out too.
I can assure you my son is healthy, happy and growing well. He gets all the nourishment he needs from his formula milk. I have formed a strong, close bond with him which has developed without breastfeeding.
I know many women feel this way and are victimised for making the correct choices for themselves and their babies. However, it seems that the government wants to tell us what the correct choices are and enforce them upon us. Because of this brainwashing, I find it very difficult to speak out about my feelings as so many people – mums and non-mums alike have been conditioned to believe that breastfeeding is the only way to go and if you’re not exclusively feeding your child yourself then you are the worst mum ever.
In closing, I would like to understand why the government are anti-choice when it comes to the matter of breastfeeding and why mothers who choose not to breastfeed their children are made to feel inadequate. I would like to know why a healthy balance of pros and cons of both formula and breast feeding is absent from any government pregnancy propaganda. I would like to know why I have been made to feel like it would be impossible to speak my mind about the topic and why my free speech is being stifled.
I look forward to reading your response.
Yours sincerely

user1473451513
Proud Formula Feeding Mum

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ScouseAT · 16/09/2016 22:43

Layercake, that is fabulous and exactly how it should be if that's what you choose. It's not like that for everyone though and when it's tough, it's very tough and it absolutely feels like a big deal.

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freetrampolineforall · 16/09/2016 19:46

Layer. It is a big deal.

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freetrampolineforall · 16/09/2016 18:56

Layer. It's a big deal.

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layercake9 · 16/09/2016 15:17

OP your post is so over the top. If you don't want to bf or can't bf then that's fine. I can't believe you even used the word "bully".

I bf my children and I absolutely loved it. No big deal.

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freetrampolineforall · 16/09/2016 15:08

Thank you ScouseAt. Some pp on this thread seem to be keen to obscure this.

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ScouseAT · 16/09/2016 15:00

Summer firstly well done at continuing to bf for so long, the challenges are long and varied so it is something to be proud of. I disagree though when you say the NHS hasn't bullied anyone. I, the OP and countless others on this thread have said they have felt bullied in to stopping, starting or continuing to bf. It may not have been the intention but lack of time, training or resources means that was the impact. I felt bullied at a time when I was at my most vulnerable, and that is not acceptable. I agree more info and support is needed to encourage mums to try and continue to bf. But if it's not working for what ever reason and the mum want to stop then that decision should be supported too. Whilst breast is best, a fed baby and a happy mum is best of all.

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Honeywineandcleyshoots · 16/09/2016 11:04

There are definitely cultural barriers to BF in the UK. Germans for example have a less inhibited ‘body culture'. For example in Germany swimming in the nude is pretty common around lakes and some beaches; Germans are less inhibited in regards to their bodies. Interestingly German women on the whole dress less revealingly than British women... Widely generalising here but there is also more of a culture of the 'natural', people tend to prefer organic foods, soaps, cream… there are organic supermarkets everywhere, in well off and deprived areas, Germans seem to go for natural products, fibres, clothing, materials. They are well into crafting and making things and are not as consumerist as we are in the UK.
BF, I believe, fits well with these cultural tendencies as it is 'natural' and there is less shame about the body, bodily fluids etc. Notions of motherhood are also quiet different in Germany.

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tiktok · 16/09/2016 10:50

I think in truth, more than one in 200 UK mothers bf to a year and beyond. The research used to reach that figure is not sound, and is not part of the well-respected Infant Feeding surveys (now unforch suspended so we may not have another one).

Certainly the number is small but not that small.

One of the reasons why other European countries (some only - not all) have higher BF rates than we do is cultural. We are not all the same and we don't all have identical infant feeding 'stories', even in western Europe.

Early cessation of breastfeeding goes along with industrialisation and urbanisation, and widespread hospitalisation for birth (where historically, mothers and babies have been separated after birth and only 'allowed' to feed at set intervals....a recipe for 'how to undermine breastfeeding').

UK breastfeeding really started to decline across all social sectors from about the 1860s onwards - not the case in all other countries (BTW, this is pre-formula days - babies got other foods and other milks, prepared at home).

You can add to that the very different marketing strategies of the formula manufacturers, post WW2. In the 1950s and 1960s, formula was heavily promoted in some countries and not in others.

So we became a more entrenched bottle feeding culture more quickly and deeply than other places, for a variety of reasons (anyone wanting more info can read G. Palmer's Politics of Breastfeeding).

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Summerholsdoingmyheadin · 16/09/2016 10:43

And only 1 in 200 making it to 12 months isn't a good statistic even if a lot have only given up between 6&12 months because the WHO recommend bf to 2 years. If you look further at stats you will find that among those still bf at 6 months not many have ebf for the six months.

There is quite a lot of people in the UK who think a toddler has no call breastfeeding. British attitudes to bf are not in line with WHO recommendations and I think this is a huge part of the problem. If breastfeeding was normalised and more accepted then I think we could improve bf rates significantly. We would still have a huge problem with NHS services not providing adequate support though.

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CecilyP · 16/09/2016 10:39

Sorry, didn't check.

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Summerholsdoingmyheadin · 16/09/2016 10:38

It was me that wrote the 1 in 200 post Confused

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CecilyP · 16/09/2016 10:23

Summerhols, my post was in direct response to a poster who said, 'In the UK only 1 in 200 mothers manage to breastfeed for 12 months without using any formula . . .surely those statistics alone tell is that breastfeeding is not actively encouraged enough.'

No, I hadn't read the stats at the time. However the ones you kindly posted suggest that 99.5 of the mums who successfuly breastfeed to 6 months give up sometime between 6 months and a year. It would be interesting to find out (rather than speculate) why in Germany, a country very similar to ours, so many more women do breastfeed till past a year. Sadly, all the countries in the 'top 5' have depressingly high infant mortality rates.

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Summerholsdoingmyheadin · 16/09/2016 09:14

Or it proves how awful the support is.

I acknowledged that the support is awful in my first post yesterday. Unfortunately I was jumped on by another poster for daring to admit that I am proud to be a few weeks off making it to 12 months breastfeeding.
I don't think bf rates are solely poor due to the lack of support though. We are the worst in the world for breastfeeding and I font for one second believe that we have the worst support in the world (despite it being very poor). Availability and affordability of formula are relevant factors as is the public perception of breastfeeding. Mums are often jade to feel that they should be breastfeeding in public and that they shouldn't be breastfeeding babies who are older than s few months old (or those could just be my observations).

I had problems with bf in the first couple of weeks and when I phoned the breastfeeding support team and left a message it took them 3 days to return my call. Some people might have turned to formula in that time, I honestly don't know why I didn't myself.

Yes, support for breastfeeding is shocking. But I don't think the NHS is bullying anybody. I think all too often mums are encouraged to give formula when resllyvwhstvthry need is support to continue breastfeeding. I didn't ebf my older children for more than 3 months each partly because of public perception of breastfeeding and partly because of lack of support and encouragement but at no time did I ever feel bullied into continuing by professionals.

Even on here it seems I can't mention being proud of almost making it to 12 months bf without negative reaction. Are we not allowed to celebrate such an achievement through fear of others feeling upset about it?

I'm damn proud of being able to bf for so long this time despite a lack of support and negative public response about bf a child who has gone beyond newborn stage.

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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 16/09/2016 08:33

I find this thread really interesting.

NHS policy: breast is best, increase BF rates.

NHS reality: overworked HCPs (inccl MWs, GPs HVs (are HV paid for by NHS or Local authority?), no standardised, evidence-based BF training for all HCP involved in dealing with new mothers and babies, strehced services, lots of conflicting advice and sometimes patronising, Victorian attitudes rom Midwives and Health Visitors.

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Writerwannabe83 · 16/09/2016 08:15

Or it proves how awful the support is.

It would be interesting to see what level of support and help other countries provide to breastfeeding mothers in comparison to ours as it might help explain why our rates are so low compared to others.

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Summerholsdoingmyheadin · 15/09/2016 23:22

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35438049
There you go, apparently we have the worst bf rates in the world. So I'm not sure many women are actually being bullied into breastfeeding.

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Summerholsdoingmyheadin · 15/09/2016 23:17

I don't think it tells you anything of the kind. Loads of women give up breastfeeding at around 10 or 11 months. It has nothing to do with encouraging breastfeeding of the new born.

If you look at breastfeeding stats you will find that not many women make it to six months ebf.

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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 15/09/2016 19:11

running it sounds to me like the BF supporter (NCT?) you dealt with was inexperienced and poorly trained. If she was from the NCT, you should complain.

"and instead advised I up my woeful milk supply by "thinking about my husband"

That is a quite inappropriate thing to say and tells me this woman has not really got any interpersonal skills. Much better to say that some people find it useful to spend as much time as possible near baby, ideally skin-to-skin, or be near baby / think about baby when pumping. I would go as far as saying what the woman said regarding your husband and milk supply was professional misconduct. Extremely insensitive at the very least. Thanks

May through social media and tabloid media society has build up this idea of ff versus bf and have found yet another topic with which to undermine women's self-efficacy. NO matter how a mum feed, it seems, she will encounter judgemental type who seem to relish in putting down a woman who may in a slightly more vulnerable e position than usually.

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Runningupthathill82 · 15/09/2016 18:40

Thanks, ammature and thank you for the very kind PM too. It means a lot.

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ammature · 15/09/2016 18:15

freetrampolineforall I was refering to a specific example in my life not ever woman's experience- sorry I didn't make that clear

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ammature · 15/09/2016 18:11

Runningupthathill82 I wasn't refering in a general way to every bloody woman's who's tried to breastfeed- I was referring to the person I know who told me their story and then told me to give my baby the "proper stuff". I'm sorry if my post seemed to generalize I was being specific to this one person who chooses to undermine my choices and says oh my baby was hungry, bla bla... Usual stuff. I am 100% for choice in this and in the case of this woman I'm refering to would just so respect her if she said "if wasn't for me". Rather then implying I'm a fool for feeding my baby myself.

I'm very sorry you had such a tough time. I'm not sure I could have done what you did.

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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 15/09/2016 16:53
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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 15/09/2016 16:53

"People associate frequent feeding with "not getting enough milk". When it's usually just a small newborn stomach. Formula does often lead to longer between feeds as it takes longer to digest, so perpetuating the myth that frequent feeding = not enough."

Absolutely, one of the key barriers to BF in my opinion. Alongside unrealistic expectation in terms of pain (yes it will hurt most of us for a few weeks, but not after), undiagnosed TT and added complications in terms of socialising (much more controversial to BF baby at a restart than ff)

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reallyanotherone · 15/09/2016 15:53

Seriously? That sounds like something from the 1960s. Surely feeding on demand has been normal for years - DS is 30 and it was already normal when he was born.

Yes, it is. But think about it- what exactly is "on demand"? How many people genuinely feed to "demand" i.e., every time the baby cries or starts rooting, and how many think - oh you only fed half an hour ago, you can't be hungry again... Feeding on demand is hard work, especially with ff, making up half drunk bottles every couple of hours. So people start to try and space out feeds, introduce routine fairly quickly. Especially through the night.

Think back, you might have demand fed for the first few days, but when did you start timing the feeds and spacing, and thinking going longer between feeds= satisfied baby?

For mine, especially in the early weeks, demand was constant. She'd feed, fall asleep for half an hour, then start feeding again. So people started saying are you sure she's getting enough, how do you know your milk is rich enough, why don't you top up, or give a bottle, give yourself a break. Let your DH do the night feed with formula so you can sleep...

People associate frequent feeding with "not getting enough milk". When it's usually just a small newborn stomach. Formula does often lead to longer between feeds as it takes longer to digest, so perpetuating the myth that frequent feeding = not enough.

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enoughsleepmakesmesmile · 15/09/2016 15:31

"you are disturbing the other mums on the ward'. He was two fucking hours old and trying to latch/learning to feed! I'd done bf with my first boy so I knew I needed to be patient and just keep letting him suck."

"What pissed me off the most is that she put 'baby +++ distressed' in my notes for the night. "

Bloody hell Angry

I thought post natal care was utter hell. Night staff pretty grim (apart from one slightly elderly Irish HCA, she was caring and no nonsense. Told me that initially it had hurt with all her five babies but that nipples "toughen up" after a few weeks, she was honest and real and compassionate> Shared a room with 4-6 other women and babies, babies cried through the night, noisy visitors hovered during the day. I remember one woman who decided instead of tending to her baby to pop hear iPod headphones on (presumably not hear the baby crying) and her child cried and cried and cried. She had made some sort of rattle (bottle and beans) and rattled it whilst listening to music on her headphones throughout the bloody night. So it's pretty stupid of the midwife to say your baby would disturb the others, very old school and against NHS / NICE guidance.

What becomes quite clear from this thread is that there is inadequate provisioning from the NHS to support BF mothers. It's often lip services, combined with preaching. I was saved by the NCT at the time.

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