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To think Madonna didn't get very good legal advice

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pleasemothermay1 · 08/09/2016 15:05

To think considering the amount of money she had she didn't realise she was very very unlikely to win the custody over rococo

In the uk childrens wishes are taken into account from about 14 and at 16 Barr proven abuse or neglect there would be no was a judge would rule in her favour

As going against there wishes often lead to negative behaviour running away Ect

My thoughts were only that maybe she thought it to be a lot like the us were often the child up to 18 has no say and court orders in custody are enfosed strictly till then

Any way seeing as guy has a stay at home wife one would of thought it's a much better envoirment that being looked after by staff whiles she's is on tour when I believed the first issues arouse

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bigbuttons · 08/09/2016 17:05

I don't think this has anything to do with her working. I would imagine that she a nightmare to live with. From the 'stories' I have read over the decades and the interviews I have seen I should imagine she is extremely controlling and hard-nosed and Rocco finds his father less so. I think this is a sensible guess.

Lweji · 08/09/2016 17:05

The need to work was in relation to her livelihood.

She doesn't need to travel for her livelihood, presumably.

But most teenagers probably prefer to stay put in one place, not living off a suitcase.

It's fine that she does whatever she wants to do, but she can't expect a 16 year old to follow her around if he has other options.
(If that was the case)

Scaredycat3000 · 08/09/2016 17:07

Becoming a Mother does not automatically make you a good parent.
We should know nothing about all this, but Madonna decided to make it all public in a court of law. We do know something about the Mother/son relationship because Madonna posted pictures of them on her instagram. This photo I think speaks volumes on several levels. Madonna is asking us to form an opinion of their relationship in posting such an intimate photo in such a public space, except for me it's not what a cool Mum Madonna is, quite the opposite infact. Whilst finding this pic after googling Madonna and Rocco in images all of the other pictures were quite different. To me at least Madonna was physically hanging off her DC in all of them, quite odd.

To think Madonna didn't get very good legal advice
MrsHam13 · 08/09/2016 17:12

I think she is a very selfish woman. Myself, and my brothers all went to stay at my dads when we could. Brothers were 13 and then the next one was 14. I was 14. It was just a much better, calmer, more normal environment. My mum drank every day. Her husband was also an alcoholic and had never worked. Use to drink all day. Neighbours were a riot blasting music till all hours in the morning when we were studying for exams. She had no interest in us and sat in another room and wouldn't converse with us at all. Smoked like a chimney.

Yet, when we wanted to move she stamped her feet and dragged her heels. Children at that age decide to move for a reason. It's also usually the best one for them personally.

I doubt any law firm would turn her away and turn down work though, even knowing they wouldn't win.

Scaredycat3000 · 08/09/2016 17:14

She fought for her son,and for all we know she gave up gracefully.
This was Madonna's public graceful response to losing.

To think Madonna didn't get very good legal advice
Scaredycat3000 · 08/09/2016 17:19

Sorry wrong image, this was her response with the caption Sometimes Soccer Moms need to be a .........
The Above Queen image is captioned And be treated like a....... and was posted within an hour after the bitch one.
Poor boy.

To think Madonna didn't get very good legal advice
mayoress · 08/09/2016 17:27

Child dresses like a vagabond- dear me!

Iflyaway · 08/09/2016 17:41

Ah, but that can be normal when you've got all the money in the world to spend on clothes.

I knew someone from an aristocratic family who dressed in stuff from jumble sales/2nd hand clothes shops.

SandyY2K · 08/09/2016 18:12

The moment he expressed a wish to stay with his dad she should have left it be. Now Rocco will remember how his Mum dragged it out in court, ignoring his wishes.

Her actions just resemble control more than anything else IMO.

dustarr73 · 08/09/2016 19:03

Well what should she have done,not bothered and said bye bye.

SoupDragon · 08/09/2016 19:07

She should have respected her son's wishes and salvaged their relationship.

sunnydayinmay · 08/09/2016 19:11

Can I also just point out that, even if Madonna is not reading this thread, there is a fair chance that her lawyers might be....

You really can't comment as you have absolutely no idea what their advice actually was.

SuburbanRhonda · 08/09/2016 19:20

She's a mum who's fought tooth and nail to keep her child with her and lost

Perhaps she should have been fighting to make sure that the outcome was whatever made him happiest, not her.

Isetan · 08/09/2016 20:04

Rocco had his own legal representation and the judge did ask both parents to come to a mutual agreement and because they didn't, the wishes of Rocco was given priority. Madonna didn't lose, the wishes of her son were prioritised and hopefully in the long term she will view this as win.

SandyY2K · 08/09/2016 20:26

By stating he wanted to live with his dad, he wasn't saying he'd never see her again was he. She would him on visitation, just like his dad did.

Really anyone who thinks her lawyers would read MN ConfusedHmm Seriously

sunnydayinmay · 08/09/2016 20:30

Sandy her UK lawyers may well do.

dustarr73 · 08/09/2016 21:03

I can just imagine the threads on here,if she just let him go without a fight.

So if yourkids turned around to you and said bye im off to live with my dad.You would just send them on their way.I dont believe that for a second.

She is damned if she does and damned if she doesnt.

SoupDragon · 08/09/2016 21:06

So if yourkids turned around to you and said bye im off to live with my dad.You would just send them on their way.

No, I would talk to them. Radical thought I know - talk to your teenagers!

SoupDragon · 08/09/2016 21:08

Discuss why that was what they wanted. Make it clear that they would always be wlclme to come back and to live wherever they wanted without having to just pick one parent.

Lweji · 08/09/2016 21:11

I can just imagine the threads on here,if she just let him go without a fight.

Nobody would even realise. He'd just go.
He's a 16 year old.

If she had posted here with that problem, she'd have been told to let him go. Talk to him, etc, but that she couldn't and shouldn't stop him.

bigbuttons · 08/09/2016 22:38

Some of my teens have gone off to their dad's. I didn't take it to court , mainly because I wanted to have a good relationship with them.

allsfairinlove · 08/09/2016 22:54

sandy if you don't believe Madonna's lawyers would come across this thread, you'll be shocked to know that MN is sourced for public opinion by many media outlets Shock

eyebrowsonfleek · 08/09/2016 23:18

If she posted on here, people would say that there are 13 weeks of school holidays (more at private schools so 15? 16?) and as money is no barrier, she could see him then or work flexibly (in the UK) for some weeks during term time.

JaniceBattersby · 08/09/2016 23:26

Crikey. Nobody here knows the ins and outs of this case. Nobody was in the courtroom. It's wrong to speculate on what may have happened in a residence case relating to a child. He hasn't asked for any of this.

And the people saying that those involved in the case won't be reading this are deluded. Mumsnet is the biggest parenting site in the UK. If you think that parents don't worry about sleep and schooling and breastfeeding just because they are celebrities then you're wrong..

SandyY2K · 08/09/2016 23:59

A lawyer representing a celeb like Madonna is likely to be focused on billable minutes. Time spent here would be time they could be earning money.

I've worked in a law firm and seen how they bill the client. Even when a receptionist answers a client's call and says the lawyer isn't in, that call is billed to the client.

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