To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

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Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

Tinkly, in all seriousness by sixth form they have matured it is the Y8/9/10 that tend to obsess about the perception of themselves.

That sounds like a sensible uniform Wankers. Allows them to make their own decisions (not have to wait for an announcement at a certain time of year that we could now remove our wool blazers like we did) and much more in keeping with most workplaces.

I am not missing the point but I think their are real issues in the world to be concerned about and fashion is not one of them.

Ridiculous.
It doesn't matter what they wear. Parents and children don't often get a choice where to send their kids anyway.
Uniforms are silly but if we must have them they should be for practicality- dark t shirts and jumpers, trousers and trainers. Socks etc are not important. And they shouldn't be commenting at all on the kids underwear!!
Anyone know why schools hate trainers so much? Or why they want them all to wear business suits? Something nearly all women will never wear again? Ever worn a tie in adulthood?

You are missing the point Redsrule. Uniform rules are not about fashion, they are about petty little dictators trying to impose mindless unquestioning control.

School uniforms are a complete and utter waste of time and money.

yabu
school uniform is sn outdated concept and does nothing for education. depriving children of their right to education by sending them home from school for wearing clothes is ridiculous.

I don't know why there can't be a national uniform of simple black trousers or skirt, white shirt or blouse, black jumper or blazer black footwear.
No silly logos, no unusual colours, no enforced and expensive options. Just plain, cheaply available and common stuff.

It is part of a package that enables the classroom to be calm and the learning to progress. Over a year uniform issues are negligible because everyone accepts that is the expectation, equally pupils do not use phones in class unless allowed, they generally behave in a manner that is positive for learning, they respect staff and each other, it is a happy school. When it comes to politics, charity etc our pupils are passionate. The debate club is amazing with all topics addressed with respect and passion. I just feel if we want to address injustice uniform is trivia.

In practice this is what they look like - a lot of these kids - well the girls anyway would fail the policies for a lot of schools but i think they all look fine. I guess this is probably taken in spring, no-one has a jumper etc on but all have blazers so not that warm.

And the boys sometimes wear cardis, they like them with the tight fitted trousers :)

When he turns up in the morning you need to get the teacher who told you to get whatever to write a note stateing that fact so he can show teachers if there is a issue

How? I won't be there and my DS wasn't there when I was told it so has no idea who the lady was. Neither do I.

As for uniform being a great leveller. No it isn't. The poor kids at our school will be the ones stood on the footie pitch shivering in shorts and t-shirts (compulsory uniform) and the rich kids will be toasty in their logoed hoodies, logoed waterproof coats, logoed trackie bottoms and logoed under armour (all optional but you're not allowed to buy cheaper, non-logoed alternatives.

I can't get over the irony of parents being fined for taking kids out of school during term time VS school being able to exclude children from school for wearing the wrong socks/shoes/hair/whatever.

How do they make the child leave? If the parent refuses to collect them, and the child insists on remaining in class, what would they do?

Good God those girls should be excluded at once; the length of their skirts will distract the boys and male teachers and put everyone in moral peril.....

Oh wait no, actually everyone looks happy and engaged and the sky hasn't quite fallen in yet.

Don't get me started on insisting that girls miss part of their education lest a poor wee boy can't engage when some leg is on show. As they're the most important obviously!

Our new primary school head is "coming down tough on uniform". (At least 3 school governors DC are repeat offenders).

My DC wear the correct uniform - it's not hard. Yet all I can think about it is how petty, pointless and unnecessarily antagonistic she is being.

I actually made a very old fashioned comment about the length of a girls skirt when sitting in the car at school pick up last week. My 15 year old DS, said he hadn't even noticed and then said "who cares?". and then I had to agree with him - though the reason i noticed was because it was obviously riding up as she walked so she was hoiking it back down again.

Redsrule

The uniform doesn't really have much to do with the improvement in your school. It's the other rules, about respecting each other, about being prepared for learning with the right equipment, being on time, etc, that make the real difference.

As I mentioned earlier, I went to a non-uniform school in the 1980s, we had similar rules and no uniform. Our school was pretty good. So I still haven't seen anything that convinces me uniform is necessary.

I still send DS to a uniformed school, since there aren't any round here that are non-uniform. I chose, based on what the school was like in terms of ethos in general.

Don't get me started on insisting that girls miss part of their education lest a poor wee boy can't engage when some leg is on show.

Sorry, but that is equally derogatory to boys. Making it out as if they are incapable of doing their work as they need to ogle at girls all the time.

In principle I am happy to enforce and follow school uniform rules. But as soon as a child is a slightly non standard shape in anything, it becomes a night mare, and I don't think schools appreciate what a pain it is to spend 2-3 precious holiday days tracking round trying to find something that ffits and fits the uniform rules.
Dd has a bum, and the school uniofrm trousers are not a good fit on her, but there is only one shape allowed. What would be wrong with saying any plain dark grey trouser?

Ds has size 12 feet. They are long and narrow, he has a high arch. If he wears a shoe that doesn't support his arch he get painful tendonitis in his heels and can't walk. He has to walk to school for 15 minutes and so needs good shoes.
So, no Clarks. No business shoes (no support) most shoes don't go up to a 12, no flat shoes, . Chunky shoes like DMs or Kickers are too wide, they are like boats.
But you know what? Nike trainers are perfect. Suppportive, fit well, last for ages, comfortable, available in his size. I would happily buy the plain blacked out ones, but they are forbidden by school rules.

I would really really like his head to take him shoe shopping and find something suitable.

Socks, really? Such a waste of everybody's time.
And my DC's school has a jolly guide to how much time your child should have off for illness - pretty much up to and including diphtheria and bubonic plague ( I exaggerate - but not by a lot...), and the take home message for the vast majority of illnesses is that after 3 days your child will no longer be infectious and so should be in school.So ill,they should be in school,but wrong socks / shoes/ skirt length and that is serious enough to miss out on education? Ridiculous.

Actually my DS went in today in a pair of grey and green Nike trainers belonging to his Dad. He has huge blisters on the soles of his feet at the heel after doing his DofE at the weekend, had to miss school yesterday for the first day in about 10 years as it was too painful to walk at all. Today it was either the trainers or a pair of crocs as that is all he could get on his feet. I think everyone would rather he was at school in the wrong footwear than missing another day. No-one batted an eyelid.

Isn't it about time that we started concentrating on educating our children instead of spending our time creating riduclous rules to apply?
To disrupt a child's education because of the wrong colour sock or appearance of a shoe is disgraceful. Before any uniform crusaders flame me I am a product of the English (state) education system and an ex soldier. I am usually the most over dresed person in the room, still polish my shoes "slightly too much" as I don't feel properly dressed otherwise... but I find myself and the system that created me faintly rediculous!
Whilst the concept of uniform to reduce the impact of social differences is a good one, the reality of 2016 is that these differences shine through anyway.
Most German schools have no uniform requirements. The attainment of students in the German education system is far greater than that of the UK at all levels, this is just one demonstration that we are on the wrong track. This is not to say that the German system is without fault but it's an example we could learn from.

As a teacher in a very deprived area, uniform equalises the pupils. It is sad to see some pupils coming to school embarrassed on non-uniform days because they don't have the 'right' clothes/brands etc. Some of them even avoid school altogether on those days because they know they will be seen as 'different'. They like wearing uniforms (paid for by a community fund) because they feel like the others when they wear it.

Sorry engineers but the differences don't 'shine through ' half has much when pupils are in uniform compared to when they are without. Even when you take appearance out if it, pupils are more confident/willing to engage because they aren't worrying about what their peers think of them. Sad but true.