To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

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Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

Righto, all those who think we just rebelliously refuse to put our children into appropriate school shoes.

Please find me some size 6, H fit, removable insole, narrow ankle, plain black polishable leather, full lace-up shoes with deep heel cup... that don't resemble trainers.

Off you go. Shouldn't take long. Extra points if they come in at under the sodding £65 it cost last year.

Non-pointy toes, please. Forgot that bit. DD's big toe is a LOT longer than the next one.

(Talking to myself about appropriate shoes, we're having equal trouble equipping DD with bridesmaid shoes for a wedding. But at least I get to come on here and grumble about bridezillas.)

Where do the headteachers who refuse admission on grounds of uniform, expect these children to spend the rest of the day? I would be furious if my 11 year old child was turned away from school (10 miles away from home), then had to spend the rest of the day wandering around town, because his parents aren't at home. It's a stupid and very possibly dangerous policy. ( I say this as a parent at a school, where a child disappeared on his school journey nine years ago and hasn't been seen since).

I'd rather see a child safe in school in the wrong uniform, than see young children put in dangerous situations because of ridiculous school policies.

I just don't buy this "they need to get used to wearing a uniform" argument. Most sensible adults upon getting a job that requires a uniform, will, you know, just put the uniform on and wear it. I just don't agree that they need ten years of enforced uniform wearing to be able to do this.

Yy. Most jobs don't require uniform anyway. A lot have dress codes though which, judging by the anecdotes on here of people - who have presumably worn uniform throughout childhood given that most schools require it - turning up to interviews in trainers is something that schools do not equip people for.

Just pointed out with links that in the Bronx and also most schools in if you look at the links have big issues with not having a uniform so much so the children are unable to have certain hair cuts and wear certain clours dosent seem like the non uniform nirvana

At my kids' US schools there are no rules around haircuts or colours.

One is the highest achieving school in the state, the other is the second highest achieving school in the state.

Despite the fact that horror they don't have to wear a uniform, when my oldest daughter got a job recently that did require her to dress smartly, she managed.

Mind you, she's actually quite clever, even if she does have blue hair.

You couldn't turn up to a professional job in a pair of trainers

I have only met one doctor in my life who wore formal shoes of any stripe while working.

Scrubs constitute a sort of uniform I suppose, but I suspect we are not advocating anything so practical and egalitarian.

I would a imagine these are the same sort who don't want the teachers visiting there home before. There child starts school

There are all sorts of reasons why someone might not like a teacher to visit a home before a child started school.

Lots of families live in small, cramped, crowded housing where there is ratty carpet, dowdy or broken furniture, mould, horrible old wallpaper or scuffed paint, kitchens that have seen better days. People do not like the outside world to see that. They have some pride.

Or they live in filth because they have MH issues or their partner has MH issues, is a hoarder, etc. The prospect of someone visiting can give many people palpitations.

There is all sorts of shame and often a fear down through the generations of having people come in and look down on you and judge you. Not so long ago in Britain, children were taken from poor families and packed off on ships to Australia, never to see their families again.

Once again I think its the schools getting their priorities all wrong. Yes, uniform may or may not be important. But a letter home would have done the trick for all but the worst offenders. By sending the children home, the school is just proving that what you wear, your image, is more important than your education and who you are and who you could become.

I'd value learning over style/ clothes any time, but this school seems to think appearance is more important.

Surely that is not what we should be teaching our children!!!

Lancelottie

AIBU?
Ds has spent 7 years learning to wear a uniform in preparation for work. Just in case he happens to get a job where a uniform is required.
He is now off to Uni where all this work could be undone!
Shall I kit him out with some ASDA generic items and insist he wear them to lectures?

Lessons learned don't get undone haven't lernt things like how to tie a tie Ect eill stand him I n good sted

poster mathanxiety Thu 08-Sep-16 05:29:05
You couldn't turn up to a professional job in a pair of trainers

I have only met one doctor in my life who wore formal shoes of any stripe while working.

Scrubs constitute a sort of uniform I suppose, but I suspect we are not advocating anything so practical and egalitarian.

utter tripe my husband is a nurse and has never meet a constant or surgeon wearing Nike air max what the hell are you talking about the only time informal shoes are worn When wearing scrubs clogs are often worn but not on the ward doing rounds in reguar clothing or in meetings and always a short sleeve shirt and smart trousers not jeans and not track suits

Funny how apperntly in the uk there is no choice of schools with out inform
When people are told if you don't like the policey then move your child school

But in the same breath is seemly loads of people who know of local schools who don't have uniform that are top performers and the children are just doing swimmingly

I smell bullshit

Regardless of it being the parents' responsibility, schools should not have the power to refuse children admission to the building for wearing the wrong shoes. It is a disgrace.

But a letter home would have done the trick for all but the worst offenders.

The letter home at the end of last term DID do the trick for all but the worst offenders - and when further steps were taken by the school to deal with those remaining few at the beginning of this term, the conduct of those parents necessitated a police presence.

Nnchangeagain the head teacher said that the police were passing and stopped to see what was happening. They didn't 'require a police presence. '

The only secondary I know of that does not have uniform is Camden Girls (hugely oversubscribed, top results). Though I think there are couple in Hackney?
There is one primary (outstanding, hugely over subscribed, no bullying, top results) I know of in my area of S London (SW2, not a leafy postcode!) and know of another which is also top performing, happy, oversubscribed etc near Catford.

I would much prefer non-uniform for schools, but would not make it a dealbreaker or primary reason to choose or discount a school. But I would look closely at the real substance of a school that makes socks such a major issue and seeks to persuade parents that strict uniform = quality of education while pulling all sorts of stunts to create a smokescreen of stats.

I make sure my DC wear the required polyester and observe school rules whilst rolling my eyes at some of the thinking and PR around uniforms.

Our school doesn't allow girls to wear trousers. Archaic sexist nonsense no?

All the consultant surgeons who have operated on my DC wear those plastic clog things in theatre and whatever they like on the wards and in clinic. I have observed teeetery heels and Sketchers, brogues and those shoes that were supposed to make you walk in a particular way, look like trainer shoes.

NewEngland: archaic sexist nonsense for sure!

YANBU, although sending them home on day 1 was always going to cause hysteria. A letter home for each child, giving a week to correct the uniform or they will be sent home the following week would allow everyone time to either buy the correct stuff or state their case privately.

Galactic I said in an earlier post that if Rosa Parks had posted on Mumsnet, she'd probably get a barrage of posters telling her 'But they're the RULES. If you don't like it, get another bus!'.
Rosa would politely explain that all the buses were segregated and would then get told 'Well, just walk'.
I also spoke about visiting a school for an open day when it was 33 degrees C and witnessing a lesson where the teacher refused to allow a boy to take his blazer off.
I very much doubt that those boys who were sitting there dripping with sweat were instilled with a sense of pride in their lovely blazer. It certainly wasn't helping them learn (quite the opposite). I'd imagine that the only effect it was having was to make the boys think that the teacher (who was sitting there in baggy cotton trousers and an open necked short sleeved shirt) was a total cunt because that's what I was thinking.