To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

[Puzzledconfusedandbewildered]

Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

No sympathy.

You dont like the school rules take a walk. No other choice that's convenient? Then you bite your tongue and accept it or bog off.

Whilst there is much frothing at the mouth about uniforms and how strict some schools are etc; cue a couple of months when the forms for secondary applications have to go in and then we will have plenty pf posters suggesting that watching the school gate at the end of the day to see how the current students are dressed....

You know what. My 50 odd year old Dad who is MD of a successful company has been going to work in black trainers this past couple of weeks as his foot has swollen up & he can't get any of his shoes on.

For those that say " conformity" is a problem with school uniform it is worth actually looking at what the non conformists actually want to wear.

Bloody Nike trainers. Girls clothes that fit current fashions.

How are these examples of free thinking, non congormity?

Most schools have a uniform policy why is it so hard to follow. Every year I make an effort how you're child looks is a reflection on the parents standards.

It does affect learning in that by having a uniform (and thereby following the rules) it makes children understand that they are equal. No-one is an exception to the rules. It also helps to set them all at level playing field.
As a teacher and parent, I don't get what's so hard. School shoes are cheaper than Nike!

Round here one of the schools was charging £56 for a blazer about 3 years ago.

Whether they are clean, tidy and ready to work is a reflection of the parents standards.
Whether their shoes are a little shinier than someone elses is a reflection of nothing at all, and caring about that more than actually teaching them makes you an utter wanker.
Now that is a simple fact.

Sunshine How old is your oldest child? My 16 year old is wearing smartly polished shoes, a tucked in ironed shirt & a blazer & properly done up tie. However he has messy long hair & looks a bit spotty. If it was up to me he's have his hair cut & go to the Dr about his skin but ...

Can we just, please, please, please remember that it's not TEACHERS that set the uniform rules??! Surely were all intelligent enough to work out that all ANY teacher wants to do is to TEACH (especially in these 'pay equals performance (read: results) times).

More often than not it's governors - you know, those PEOPLE NOT IN EDUCATION that set the rules.

Thank you.

Sigh

It does affect learning in that by having a uniform (and thereby following the rules) it makes children understand that they are equal

Kids are not that stupid. You think they don't know the differences that surround them because they are all wearing the same shirt?

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Schools that enforce rules generally have good discipline; the children behave better and achieve more.

Simiisem, how do you account for all those schools in Europe and the US with good discipline and results - better than the UK's - that have no uniform at all?

PanGalactic, how on earth does it affect a child's learning if their plain black shoes have a little silver tag on them?

I am genuinely shocked at the number of parents on here who think their children are 'too special' to have to learn how to conform to school rules.

I can't see that anyone is saying that. You haven't, for example, seen anyone suggesting that their children shouldn't comply with rules around good behaviour, doing their work, turning up on time etc. What they are saying is that schools shouldn't have stupid rules.

It's important that pupils turn up to school clean, smart and in the correct uniform - they will have to do this at most jobs in their lives and that won't improve their ability to do a job just like wearing a uniform doesn't facilitate learning.

How does this in any way enhance their ability to comply with dress codes in adulthood? Again, European children seem to manage it without spending 11 years done up in stiff polyester.

poster HelenaDove Wed 07-Sep-16 19:41:57

The Nike air max the girl on the news moaning about being kept out of choos those tainers cost more than £56 if the parents stopped buy very pricey trainers maybe they could afford a blazer

Surely it's as simple as, the school has set rules, if you don't comply with these rules your child will not be allowed to attend school, therefore you should comply with the rules in order for your child to receive an education?

The parent i know who had to buy the £56 blazer does not buy her kids trainers because she cant afford that either.

My oldest is 12 she is in year 8 now. My child has afro european hair so its not to tough but still very curly. She was not very good at combing her hair in the end I threatened to have it permanently straitened if she didn't sort it out. She has beautiful hair when she can be bothered but luckily my threats have worked so far. BigGreenOlives enjoy his long messy hair it won't be there when he gets older.

But a Uniform rule is not petty.

A rule that means children get sent home for having a small silver tag on their smart matt black shoes certainly is extremely petty. As is a rule which means that a child is sent home for not coming in in a blazer when the school is preventing her from going in to fetch her blazer.

Respect and order comes from boundaries and consistency. It's not a 'dreamed up' rule

Uniform rules that have no basis in logic are dreamed up. What difference does it really make if a child is wearing a pair of school trousers with a pleat or one without? A school's decision to make children wear a polo shirt with a logo at £12 instead of a plain polo shirt at £4 is a purely arbitrary one.

Respect and order come from boundaries and consistency with sensible rules. Stupid rules simply lead to disrespect and disorder.

My (YR 13/YR9) DD1/2 wear a Blazer Tie and skirt for school which i think is great ! The sixth form uniform is the same as the other years except instead of wearing a tartan kilt , they wear a straight skirt .

The sixth form girls also wear a tie the other years don't. I think the uniform requirements are among the strictest for a girls state school in England .

Personally i am delighted the school has such high standards for uniform as well as academic standards.

P.S we never have any girls coming to school in trainers, silly haircuts or short skirts . That is because the parents have brought in to their daughters education, not a vendetta against 'authority' !

Judycoolibar: trust me, there're PLENTY of parents who don't think their kids should have to conform to school rules.... I say this as a very very very tired pastoral head.

Do European parents turn up to complain about their precious being asked to stop putting his feet on the desk in a 'fancy a shag' t-shirt?! Do 'European' parents get their precious to hide their stash for the, in their gym bag (which means precious can try to make a quick buck at break time), do 'European' parents tell teachers to 'fuck off nazi' if they write 'please provide precious with a pen' in their school planner? No? Well then. Can we just buy the uniform and let teachers get on with the job they trained to do (all bright eye and bushy tailed BEFORE Being informed they going to have their face smashed in for requesting homework) I.e. Teach

/tired

Sparklyglitter: ^I work in a school, which recently went to wearing a blazer. All the boys look fantastic!
There were a few boys not wearing the correct uniform on the first day, but as sensibly instructed by the head teacher any boys not in the correct uniform were to be spoken to and dealt with on an individual basis^

And that's OK (although I'm interested to know how much the recently-introduced blazers cost and what provision there was for parents on low incomes who potentially had to outfit three sons at once because with a 'recently introduced' blazer you can't have handmedowns). It's also a world away from sending everyone home on a distinctly NON-individual basis.

Several years ago family friends had a devastating house fire (arson) - they had a lucky escape having to climb a fence to escape, lost everything & had to live in a hotel for months.

Their son who was a very clever but quiet young lad (he's now at Oxford) was not a standard size (stunted growth & overweight due to health issues). His school uniform had to be made to measure.

I was appalled that such a studious, A* well behaved child who had suffered major trauma was dropped from an inter school competition he had been selected for because he could not get the correct uniform quickly enough.

It's affected my impression of that school ever since.

You must have known that when you have children you are buying school uniforms assuming you are not homeschooling. It is a very tiring argument to have.

I can't help wondering if those who insist the HT's being ridiculous and losing respect noticed the reports that most of the parents are right behind him

Says the head. The fact that parents have complied with the rules doesn't mean they support them. Many of the parents complaining have tried to comply, but even the head has been forced to admit that the guidance they produced was unclear.

You dont like the school rules take a walk. No other choice that's convenient? Then you bite your tongue and accept it or bog off.

How does someone bog off when the law requires that children receive full time education and parents have to earn a living?

That's the start of a very slippery slope. You don't like slavery? Rules are rules, bite your tongue and accept it or bog off. You think women should have the vote? Rules are rules, bite your tongue and accept it or bog off You don't like black people being segregated? Bite your tongue and accept it or bog off. You don't like people being imprisoned without trial? Bite your tongue and accept it or bog off. And so on and so on into full Godwin.

I for one am delighted that isn't the accepted view out in the real world.

I was appalled that such a studious, A well behaved child who had suffered major trauma was dropped from an inter school competition he had been selected for because he could not get the correct uniform quickly enough.*

Schools are getting tough on kids and parents. Given the circumstances they should have helped out the family rather than ostracise the boy.