To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

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Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

math Did you not know that Blazers all contain particles of qulegeatwrelus which has been proven to be absorbed through the skin and improve behaviour?
Research has proved it.

My sons high school in Scotland is insisting a blazer be worn inside school buildings at all times.
If kids are hot to remove school jumper/Cardigan which must have logo on & continue to wear blazer. Cards being handed out.
My son doesn't have a blazer. 40 a go no chance.
He has had a card every day since returning on 2 weeks ago. No word from school to me as the parent who holds the purse strings.
Why badger a child?
I spent 70 on good school shoes to fit ortho insoles . Think this was better way to spend my money.

Blazers in particular have got to be the most pointless item of clothing ever invented. Stick to your guns, weepat.

Almond I mention refugees because their higher attainment levels and lack of behavioural issues, despite having very limited English and usually no qualifications or work experience, are almost certainly partly down to having a culture of valuing education, respecting reasonable authority, and being aspirational for their family. This seems to be the case irrespective of country of origin, almost without exception. These values are lacking in many of their UK born peers. Their economic poverty has been far greater than our UK students, and the things they have witnessed and survived are horrific, but many of our UK students are the result of 3rd cultural impoverishment/ poor parenting that has a catastrophic effect on their prospects. They have poor impulse control, low expectations of themselves and others, little empathy and poor social skills. Rules are disrespectful to their sense of self and only muppets follow them. They usually lack confidence and belief in themselves which they mask with agression or bored indifference. If we can engage them, and they start to see the benefits of cooperation, they can make real progress, it's amazing how quickly indifference slips away when they pass an exam or a piece of their work is put up on the whiteboard for the class to evaluate why it is such a good letter/ answer. However all this it is very labour intensive and sadly not always possible if behaviour is very disruptive, risky to others and fails to improve.

In FE colleges we can offer smaller class sizes and more support than most schools, we are also delivering a curriculum designed around the specific needs of the student which makes engagement easier. I think schools do their best but it is parents/primary carers that have the most impact on a young child's development, primary and secondary teachers with large classes can only do so much without parents backing them up. Too many of these children leave our schools uneducated, angry and unemployable.

By no means all our UK students are like this, just a significant minority. Whereas I have taught 100s of foreign adult learners without witnessing the behaviours we regularly had to manage on our other courses. Around 8% of our UK born adult learners will present with extremely challenging behaviours. One or two in each class unless the teacher is lucky.

Uniform contributed greatly to my child being unable to continue in mainstream education, he has autism and dyspraxia. As soon as that shirt with the logo came out the trouble began as he knew what it meant. Plus he couldn't manage the trouser buttons and hooks. There was no flexibility, obviously

Uniform can be pricey.
Supermarket polo shirts 2 for £5.
1 logo shirt from only supplier available £12.
Supermarket school jumper. £5 each.
Muted blue jumper for school colours from only available supplier £18.
Then add to that logo gym t-shirt shorts etc for 2x 1hour lessons each week.
It all becomes expensive.
This is a Scottish council high school nothing special.

Personally I think that the parents should be fined if their child consistently turns up at school without the appropriate clothing/equipment... just like they did with persistent absence from school.

The school has rules. The parents should work with the school and teachers to ensure that these are adhered to. It is part of educating our children about what is expected of them outside of school - in work or society / 'real life'.

If the rules are broken - there should be consequences - just like there are consequences when laws are broken - it's part of simple education.

Personally I think that the parents should be fined if their child consistently turns up at school without the appropriate clothing/equipment... just like they did with persistent absence from school

Hmm I wonder what your income level is. Fining will do nothing to help a child from an impoverished home. And yes, poverty really does exist in the UK. A couple of years ago there was a campaign about poverty in London run by the Evening Standard. It really opened my eyes. Someone wanted to apply for college but it cost £10 for the application and he could not afford it. I cannot conceive of not being able to afford £10 but it is a daily fact of life for many parents. So fining them will achieve precisely nothing.

Shoes that are clarkes shoes that have buckles they are black sensibke shoes but still got sent home my nan was told to wear a trainer type shoe after her hip replacement with medical reasons what are the parents to do a buckle on a shoe comeon bet the rules say sensible black shoes why is a buckle deemed not sensible and who deems that. I agree with the rules but these are taking things over board. Picking things to suit ypur oppinions rather than adhering to the words of the rules. He will create contempt towards him amd the teachers by the pupils amd parents not the way to communicate amd work with parents is it.

NickiFury I'm really sorry to hear that. He must have felt so stressed and alienated. What a horrible experience.

Sonof there is medical reasons or actually its just his oppinion of a black shoes that its not good enough because of a buckle or how it is styled the parents should be fined.... Nice you are.

I ran around like a lunatic buying all the correct bits for her to go to school. Its not that hard to write a list of all the correct garments and foot wear that they need. Its about looking smart they are representing the school.

Regulation school uniform, blazers especially, can be very expensive. As can shoes. To many people they will just not be able to stretch to an entirely correct school uniform, allowing for washing/drying/ironing and turnaround time, if you haven't got a washer or the money for washing powder more than once a week then what then?
"Rules is rules" is an idiotic answer to it, as all families/children may have difficulties that make this hard to stick to. I have also worked with children with additional needs who struggle with sensory issues, and simply cannot abide some textures/clothings. Are they to be excluded from school for wearing the wrong thing?

All schools have second hand uniform and if you still cannot afford it you can go into school and ask for help. There really is no excuse.

Let's face it most of those kids turning up with the wrong uniform will not be doing so because there parents have tried their absolute best, it will be because their parents don't think school rules are important.

amberlaba as far as I can understand this guy is new so the majority of pupils and parents at that school will have chosen to go there under quite different terms. He gave them six weeks' notice of the change in policy which for most people is one pay packet to buy the new stuff out of and then all the teachers pissed off on holiday as usual for the summer so no chance for consultation/discussion.

And anyway this argument about 'you chose the school so stick with the rules' is spurious as places are allocated by the LEA.

I know there is second hand uniform shops, and in a push then schools may help, not always easy to admit you're struggling however, I can't see the problem with a little bit of wiggle room and flexibility. You can't generalise that the parents just don't think it's important. Some really do, but life isn't that simple.

And children that have SEN should have exceptions written into their statements or whatever schools don't do enough of do these days.

Thanks yougo. It's more that quite a few children with additional needs are affected in this way but it's rarely a consideration when people are banging on about the benefits of school uniform.

I can't remember I read about a group of parents protesting educational cuts at a school gate, or a lack of SEN provision.....

only a lack of burger and chips or a lack of will to follow uniform policy.

when i read.....

My keyboard needs batteries.

Not bothered reading thread as I hate uniforms anyway. but regarding "rules are rules"; I teach my children that rules must have a purpose and if not, not to just blindly accept them because 2"rules are rules".

My boys like their blazers. They own no other item that has loads of pockets for all the stuff to carry round school - yes, they could put it in their bag but it's just not as handy and easy to find - according to them.

I know they are a polyester nightmare, but they go through the washing machine every week and can be stuffed in a bag all day and still look the same as if it had spend all day on a hanger.

Sadly a very accurate observation for.

YelloDraw I **think the hysteria of schools sending children home because they aren't in the correct uniform is bullshit. There is no evidence that having a strict uniform improves learning outcomes.

It's not about the learning outcomes.... why should 'one' feel like they can be different and ignore the rules?! Rules are rules. We all have to dress/act/do things we like in life. It's about conforming to society.

It's not about the learning outcomes.... why should 'one' feel like they can be different and ignore the rules?! Rules are rules. We all have to dress/act/do things we like in life. It's about conforming to society.

I can't tell you how depressing I find that paragraph.