To think it's not hard to adhere to uniform rules

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Yet again in the fail a school has had protests from parents (and police presence) due to 50 students being turned away on day 1 for breaching the uniform rules

Aibu to think the rules are the rules and if you want your child to attend that school you adhere to them?

Gottagetmoving - Absolutely agree!

Whether or not you believe that uniform improves behaviour and acheivement is really an aside ... the absolute basics of this is that you abide by the rules/ laws of the school/ workplace/ country you live in... and if you don't - you must face the consequenceconsidered appropriate by the leader of those establishments.

poster JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff

Sadly it will make a difference to emolyers and many emolyers are now saying that young people often don't have the basic skill including understanding that they can't wear jeans and tees to a interview

My son went to a BT interview he's 16 dispite it saying business attire many were still in jeans just like the school uniform one would imagine they felt the rules not applying them 😳

It's very telling that many 6th forms are now moving to business wear having had a wear what you dare policey before

To me this is a very scary concept in a democratic society. Schools should teach critical thinking and an important aspect of this is to question, and even to challenge, the reasonableness and fairness of rules

I agree about the critical thinking but where do you draw the line? Challenging topics? Other rules?
Challenging is good but there would be differing views amongst students.
Someone has to make the decisions and its better coming from the adults, parents, governors, teachers?
In the case in the news it said the majority of parents were backing the Head teacher.

In the school I attended, older pupils were invited to discuss and debate rules with the Head teacher in monthly meetings.
Having a uniform doesn't have to mean a total lack of democracy?

poster Lexilooo Wed 07-Sep-16 14:45:08

If I tell you to buy a balck jumper for school or work no one bar a 14 year old or a feckless parent thinks that means a tank top style jumper showing mid drift

That's why you don't allow your 14 year old to do a school uniform shop and the feckless parents gets there child sent home

Well I just watched the video of the headteacher saying a girls shoes weren't uniform. They were lovely, sensible, suede, black shoes. Very smart.

Her Father also made the point that she was sent home the previous day for something else wrong with her uniform, which they fixed and today she wasnt allowed in because of her shoes....they passed the test yesterday!

It all seems ridiculous to me. She looked very smart and they are having time wasted over this that should be sent settling in.

YABU "Rules are rules" is inane. Don't follow bad rules just because everyone else does.

At my sons school they had a uniform comttie that worked with the senior staff in shaping school uniform but the trade off was they had a say but then the uniform was to be strictly enforced

Those advocating no uniform at all need to understand in countries where they do not have uniform they still have a dress code and items that are not permitted, so they still have the same running battles on inappropriate attire

They really don't. Obviously, if you have far fewer rules there is much less to fight about. And kids aren't told that the length of their hair is a good reason to deny them their education, like this stupid crap.

poster Arseicle

This is not true my cousin lives in the Bronx and is a high school teacher she has huge issues with gang colours girls wearing clear heels known as stopper heels children whom are on welfare dressed Inadqutetly for the New York winter

So this is not true at all

I think the total opposite is true to needing 'petty' rules to create respect and order. DD spent a miserable half term at an academy that was absolutely ruthless about uniform. She said that half the time used to be spent policing petty rules and putting students in isolation for eg having one shoelace longer than the other rather than learning anything. She had a friend there who broke her arm and they tried to exclude her until she'd had her blue cast replaced with a black one. Her parents are both Police officers (so clearly have an understanding about enforcing rules that actually matter) and politely told the school where to go.
The school DD moved to has a uniform but common sense is used eg skirt lengths aren't policed and girls are allowed make up as long as it's not ridiculously OTT. She feels that the kids at this school actually have more respect for teachers because they appreciate being trusted with a bit more freedom so don't abuse it. It also means that more time is spent actually learning.
One of the breakthroughs for me as a parent was learning to pick my battles and concentrate on making sure that the really import rules were followed eg no hitting, speaking nicely to people and easing up on things that, in the scheme of things, really weren't that important.
If children see teachers expending ridiculous amounts of energy on rules that are clearly pointless, they're more likely IMO to think that rules about bullying are also pointless.

www.csmonitor.com/1996/0412/12031.html

www.wnd.com/2007/07/42746/

www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/gangs/

This is less about targeting the kids, and much more about targeting the parents. If you've got a sad face mum/dad in the Fail because DC aren't in the right kit you know they'll be the ones to watch re homework/time keeping/phone policy.

How hard is it? Everything on that list said "plain "black". Only the hard of thinking would have bought white socks.

So now we know that other countries do have massive issues with not having any uniform

We can stop talking horse shit

This is not true my cousin lives in the Bronx and is a high school teacher she has huge issues with gang colours girls wearing clear heels known as stopper heels children whom are on welfare dressed Inadqutetly for the New York winter So this is not true at all

Cool story bro. I think that might be a uniquely US problem, specifically areas like the Bronx?
We don't really have problems with gang colours in Europe so much, so yes, it is quite true in the rest of the world.

You're the one talking horse shit!

Bro who talks like that lol

But we keep getting told that counties that don't have uniform don't have any issues and it all works swimmingly

*Those advocating no uniform at all need to understand in countries where they do not have uniform they still have a dress code and items that are not permitted, so they still have the same running battles on inappropriate attire

They really don't. Obviously, if you have far fewer rules there is much less to fight about. And kids aren't told that the length of their hair is a good reason to deny them their education, like this stupid crap*

People keep wanting to point out that there are all these places in the world were having no uniform working really well and the teachers have no issues

Just pointed out with links that in the Bronx and also most schools in if you look at the links have big issues with not having a uniform so much so the children are unable to have certain hair cuts and wear certain clours dosent seem like the non uniform nirvana 🙄

You realise that one school in the Bronx that someone told you about really had fuck all do with the vast majority of EUROPE and the parents of children who don't have uniforms telling you they don't see any problems?

It's like that one person who insists that smoking isn't bad for you because their great aunt Doris smokes 80 a day and lived to be a hundred and twelve.

Oh and France has a massive issue with religious garb at school , collages or uni

They have tuning battles with there Algerian and Muslim population on this issues and that has led to some girls being thrown out of school

This whole thing of non uniform nirvana staring to look a bit shakey

poster Arseicle Wed 07-Sep-16 15:12:18

www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/gangs/

www.wnd.com/2007/07/42746/

www.csmonitor.com/1996/0412/12031.html

State wide bans on headscarves have got fuck all to do with uniform.

How about you just teach your kids and stop measuring their hair and skirt lengths, its weird and pointless.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

You can post irrelevant links, well done. Could you stop now?