To think cheese is a healthy snack?

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Maybe I am. I gave my LB cheese chunks in a little pot and a small bottle of water for his Break today on his first day in Primary school. He loves this and has it at home. He came home with a note saying in future to send a healthy nutritious snack in future.

Can I ask what u would send as a Healthy snack to school please?

Of course too much of anything is bad for you. The idea is that we have a balance..and moderation of the not so good foods but a good balance is key isn't it. I mean a couple of pieces of cheese and some fruit isn't a bad snack. And a small cake or chocolate after there main meal is fine..I'd theybe eaten the good stuff. A massive mars bar everyday of course isn't good. I think finding the balance is the hardest bit and where teeth are concerned making sure they brush them will stop most of the problems.

Are you talking about refined sugar or fruit? Or the sugar in fruit? Which is and has a different effect on the body to refined sugar.

I'm sorry but I think there is a misconception about fruit on this thread, making fruit into a food group that is in some part negative is absurd.

Fibre is wonderful for the body, the nutrients in fruit are needed and if as a nation we consumed more fruit and vegetables we wouldn't see a decline in oral health.

www.care2.com/greenliving/if-fructose-is-bad-what-about-fruit.html

The above link shows tests on sugar water or adding berries to sugar water to see the effect on blood sugar

Fibre is what Robert Listing states is the difference between eating fruit or drinking juice, mainly because you can't eat enough of the same fruit you would juice to get overloaded with sugar.
www.oprah.com/health/Health-Risks-of-Sugar-Robert

It's the acid that attacks the enamel. My dentist told us this. They have a huge rise in enamel damage due to people eating healthier diets..it's not tooth decay as such it's just it damages the enamel and causes other issues. But we shouldn't stop eating fruit we just need to get smart about it. So a glass of milk afterwards or water to wash the acid of the teeth or a piece of cheese. Fruit is not bad but neither is cheese..only if eaten in very large quantities. My son has braces and he can't eat carrot sticks, apples, or anything too hard. So it's soft fruits for him. For lunch my young daughter has a selection of berries, a sandwich, sometimes a babybell, homemade flapjack or homemade muffin. A bottle of water. Sometimes she eats it all sometimes she doesn't. But she loves her berries and will snack all day on them if you let her. I'm not about to stop her.

Fibre is wonderful for the body, the nutrients in fruit are needed and if as a nation we consumed more fruit and vegetables we wouldn't see a decline in oral health

I agree - but I think that there can be an issue with too much of certain fruits especially dried fruit - as it's easier to get the sugar out compared to it being packed in as in apples etc.

A bit more on fruit and oral health.

www.colgate.com/en/us/oc/oral-health/basics/nutrition-and-oral-health/article/acidic-fruits-and-teeth-effects-0216

But I suspect that's a lot of fruit that can cause those effects.

You can get fibre from other sources.

Cheese is still going to be more filling and will tide a child over longer.

If you have a child who has a tiny appetite for breakfast, cheese will be a better option to deal with hunger mid-morning.

But we shouldn't stop eating fruit we just need to get smart about it

Exactly

ivykaty

There are 2 different things to look at.

You are dead right with the effect of fruit sugar on the body's insulin response. Little real effect and you'd have to eat loads to see an effect. The fibre and 'packaging' make a real difference.

But the other thing is the effect of some fruits - especially those which are easily broken down in the mouth on the acidity in the mouth. That is completely separate to the body's insulin response - and as BITCAT said - and the links I put on show, it's sensible to counteract the acidity in the mouth after eating such fruit.

Ego

That link is to Colgate Palmolive, a company that is part of Unilever, they may just have a vested interest any study showing fruit in a negative light.

You can get fibre from other foods

Well yes vegetables contain fibre, but they also contain sugar. But to disguard a whole food group which has many nutrients that are needed would be remiss.

Give the child cheese with breakfast if needed or another portion food that keeps them satisfied for longer and if they have a small appetit thus should keep them going until a variety of fruit can be given at play time

But to disguard a whole food group which has many nutrients that are needed would be remiss

No one is saying disregard a whole food group.

That link is to Colgate Palmolive, a company that is part of Unilever, they may just have a vested interest any study showing fruit in a negative light

So you don't think there's any issue with fruit sugar and acidity on teeth enamel?

Cheese is healthy, get them to read 'The Big Fat Surprise' it is a real eye opener for all these 'low fat' nutters out there - the major cause of western health problems and obesity!

Its fun watching the Governments back tracking on over 60 years of bad advice. They are now suggesting that butter and other dairy isn't really that bad!

Give the child cheese with breakfast if needed or another portion food that keeps them satisfied for longer and if they have a small appetite thus should keep them going until a variety of fruit can be given at play time

You missed the bit about a small appetite or maybe you don't understand that this means a child actually won't eat what is given at breakfast, resulting in hunger at mid morning.

Bigpigsmum you really have to go out of your way to find someone who is a low fat nutter is 2016. I don't understand why you think it's "fun" to watch the government back track over fat? They did the best they could with the evidence at the time. Exactly the way you are now with a high fat low sugar diet. In 30 years time people will be laughing at you back tracking on that.

Colgate Palmolive is not part of Unilever. Just to be clear.

Unilever has got a toothpaste brand in its portfolio though. Signal perhaps?

In 30 years time people will be laughing at you back tracking on that

What do you think of sugar and health?

ivykaty

The view of the British Dental association

www.dentalhealth.org/tell-me-about/topic/sundry/diet

It is better for your teeth and general health if you eat 3 meals a day instead of having 7 to 10 snacks. If you do need to snack between meals, choose foods that do not contain sugar. Fruit does contain acids, which can erode your teeth. However, this is only damaging to your teeth if you eat an unusually large amount. Try not to have a lot of dried fruit as it is high in sugar and can stick to your teeth.

If you do eat fruit as a snack, try to eat something alkaline such as cheese afterwards

Savoury snacks are better, such as:

cheese,raw vegetables,nuts,breadsticks.

I think they are suggesting that fruit is probably better as part of a meal and that if you do eat fruit as a snack, maybe have something with it to counteract the acid?

What do you mean ego?

Exactly the way you are now with a high fat low sugar diet. In 30 years time people will be laughing at you back tracking on that

Do you think people will be back tracking on low sugar?

Yep. We know nothing now.

Ego

You state yourself that you need to eat unusually large amounts of fruit to erode your teeth so hopefully that answers your question - no I don't think there is a problem with fruit and tooth erosion

And no I didn't realise that a child with a small appetite won't eat what is given for breakfast and is therefore hungry at break time.

I do think it's something people need to be aware of - as the 5 a day is being pushed - and for all the right reasons.

I think some countries do 5+2 - 5 veg plus 2 fruit - so people don't just have lots of fruit. Then there's the issue with dried fruit with sugar on the outside and fruit juice.

It is something people should be aware of if they have lots of fruit in their diet.

cheese is not bad but not everyday - i'm a sucker for it though especially brie in french bread with tomatoes and rocket salad

calpol interesting - sugar won't be bad in a few years.

Ego

In all honesty there are far more problems with tooth erosion with fizzy pop drinks

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-36247176

It isn't over eating fruit that is causing 146,667 children under 5s to have tooth decay - it's refined sugar.