To think cheese is a healthy snack?

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Maybe I am. I gave my LB cheese chunks in a little pot and a small bottle of water for his Break today on his first day in Primary school. He loves this and has it at home. He came home with a note saying in future to send a healthy nutritious snack in future.

Can I ask what u would send as a Healthy snack to school please?

Knowing the insulin response would be useful actually for schools, where jacket potato is offered as an option on the menu at dds school every day.

The fat thing as many have pointed out is a red herring

Animal fats? There is evidence that animal fats increase saturated fat levels which could be harmful.

(I eat cheese and ignore this but there is evidence that a diet high in animal fat may have an effect on saturated fat levels)

Our bodies need salt otherwise we would slowly desiccate

Umm. Really. Dessicate? We get salt in our diet naturally. Do we need to worry about how much salt we take? Maybe

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/salt.aspx

I don't follow NHS guidelines.

I don't follow NHS guidelines

You rebel

What about World Health guidelines?

www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs394/en/

A healthy diet helps protect against malnutrition in all its forms, as well as noncommunicable diseases (NCDs), including diabetes, heart disease, stroke and cancer.

Unhealthy diet and lack of physical activity are leading global risks to health.
Healthy dietary practices start early in life – breastfeeding fosters healthy growth and improves cognitive development, and may have longer-term health benefits, like reducing the risk of becoming overweight or obese and developing NCDs later in life.

Energy intake (calories) should be in balance with energy expenditure. Evidence indicates that total fat should not exceed 30% of total energy intake to avoid unhealthy weight gain (1, 2, 3), with a shift in fat consumption away from saturated fats to unsaturated fats (3), and towards the elimination of industrial trans fats (4).

Limiting intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake (2, 5) is part of a healthy diet. A further reduction to less than 5% of total energy intake is suggested for additional health benefits (5).

Keeping salt intake to less than 5 g per day helps prevent hypertension and reduces the risk of heart disease and stroke in the adult population (6).

At some point, the saturated fat = bad will be debunked too, I'm fairly sure.
For now, I ignore it though.
Animal fats contain vitamin K2 (well they do if the animals are grass fed, anyway), also known as menaquinone, and functionally distinct from vitamin K1 (phylloquinone). Menaquinone is needed in the body to activate a protein called osteocalcin - a very useful little item that causes calcium to be laid down where it's needed, and removed from where it shouldn't be. In other words, calcium is directed to the bones, and removed from e.g. atherosclerotic plaques (should you have any), thus helping to prevent both osteoporosis and hardened arteries in one fell swoop!
Menaquinone isn't found in great quantities in non-animal sources, apart from seaweed and some fermented soy products. Our gut bacteria do produce menaquinone from phylloquinone (found in green leafy veg etc.) but not in any great quantity.

It's interesting to see how these food trends play out.

What about World Health guidelines?. Nope 😇

Thing is it's all too generalistic for me. DD and I both need a lot of salt for health conditions. Btw DD was told this by cardiologist. I eat healthily when I'm well enjoy to btw. And I need a massive amount of protein to help my body heal. I was on the beef beef beef must eat beef cravings until yesterday when I got an upset tummy. Not from the food - I'm thinking maybe I injested a bit of rank paddling pool water when I cleaned it. Not a beverage I'd recommend.

What people need to eat is a balanced and varied diet containing all the different food groups.

Menaquinone isn't found in great quantities in non-animal sources, apart from seaweed

Aaah. Seaweed. Now there's a great food. Aside from the salt

Ego

I can't define the healthy statement, it is being banded about on this thread that cheese is healthier than fruit on this thread. I asked really? You told me to read the thread and it would give me the reason.
Ego then states there are negatives and positives of both foods, OK well that is different from the bold statement that cheese is healthier than cheese ( which one poster stated on this thread earlier)

What are the negative and positives and is cheese really healthier than fruit ? As stated on this thread?

You may as well say swimming is better exercise than ballet

You told me to read the thread and it would give me the reason

Not me.

Cheese is fine. Fruit is fine. Both contribute to a healthy diet.

What are the negative and positives and is cheese really healthier than fruit ? As stated on this thread

Read my post at 16:47. It might answer your question

Both foods provide the body with what it needs
These foods have negatives and positives

Is this the answer in your post of 16:47 ego ? What are the negatives about fruit? Is it the fibre in apples or the sugar being slowly released into the body and the sugar being released into the mouth from fruit. Can you say how this has a negative impact on the body?

It's not clear from your post of 16:47

Raisins and cereal bars are both very high in sugar.

Can you say how this has a negative impact on the body

I can. TBF - loads of people in the thread already have as well - sugar in the mouth and acids.

Fast absorbable sugars (and to a slower extent any carbohydrates) lead to insulin spikes which pull blood sugar into body cells to create quickly available energy.
If you then go and cycle an etape of the Tour de France, all good and well
If you then go and sit in your office, your blood sugar will slump, you'll feel rubbish after a short period of time and you'll crave more sugar/carbs. Oh, and you'll put down fat stores as our metabolism is designed to help us survive famines, NOT to keep us trim while eating too much/not moving enough.

Google 'metabolic syndrome' or 'Syndrome X' - sugar is not required for human nutrition (at all), has only become in to fashion when large scale sugar plantations made sugar affordable (via slavery) and a demand had to kept going to keep said plantations profitable.

Anyway, I digress, that's the historical content.
Whether you eat a grape or a sugar cube or a spoonful of honey, makes no difference as far as insulting production goes.

Even cheese contains some carbohydrates of course

Sorry, about my essay - all I meant to say is that sugar's harm goes well beyond tooth decay which is bad enough of course.

sorry I'm struggling to understand

Sugar in the mouth and acid, what or how is this going to have a negative effect?
How is eating fibre a negative and why is eating an apple with slow release negative?

I think it has a negative effect when the acids and sugars eat the enamel on your teeth that's the negative of fruit.

You do realise (collective fat is great sugar is evil you) that you're talking crap too? People who said fat was evil thought they knew what they were talking about. In 30 Years time your children will be wondering how you could be so niave as to think sugar was to blame for everything.

Also I'm Sorry but the fruit on the teeth thing makes so sense. There is no doubt sugar acid is bad for your teeth but also no doubt cultures with healthy diets are, without exception, fruit heavy. Mediterranean diet is widely agreed to be the best in the world and fruit, diary and meat feature heavy. The British/ Americans have never got it right with diet and lurch from one fad to another, one food enemy to the other, cluelessly.

You would have to eat fresh fruit extremely excessively to damage your teeth under normal circumstances- and even then I'm not convinced that negates the health benefits (after all your teeth have not evolved to survive for your whole life)

The teeth thing has to do with when it's eaten.

Well clearly. That doesn't make it as deadly, vital and important as made out here

That doesn't make it as deadly, vital and important as made out here

Is sugar important? We get carbohydrates from our food. Why do you think sugar is important?

I am sure you know about the insulin repsonse, glycemic load and the subsequent effect on metabolism, cholesterol and the bodies response to excess sugar. We know and understand a lot more than we used to.

Is sugar important and vital?

Sorry - I might have misinterpreted - I am slightly sceptical about the sugar and teeth issue but I know that's one thing that's been raised by people.

I don't think sugar is an essential part of the diet and is not needed as part of a healthy diet. I don't have an issue with it being in the diet but I do think excess sugar is not part of a good diet - for reasons on metabolism and the insulin response.

I don't worry too much about fruit sugar - but others do.

Nothing is good for you in excess. It's sensible to be aware of added sugar. It's not sensible to make it into the latest fad. And yes, I think people who stress about fruit sugar are, if I'm being nice, suffering from anxiety, if I'm not, a bit dim.