To think excess skin removal should be available on the NHS?

[TheGoodEnoughWife]

I know being fat is seen as being self inflicted although I don't agree that it is and that people over eating should be taken as seriously as people under eating. But that isn't necessarily my point here..,

I am very overweight (about 6st overweight but am tall) and one of the things in the back of my mind is that if I lose weight my saggy skin will be awful. The reality is my 'strain' on the NHS being overweight has the potential to be great - surely encouragement to lose weight would cost the NHS less in the long run?
It would be helpful maybe to me and others who need to lose a lot of weight to know that treatment for excess skin would be available to them?

Now I may get flamed about self inflicted and so on but if I drive a car badly and crash I would be treated on the NHS, if I drink like a fish and cause myself illness I would be treated on the NHS, if I go about extreme sports and hurt myself I also would get treated on the NHS.
(I don't do any of those things!)

Any one see where I am coming from?

*botox not both

Surely the incentive to lose weight is to improve the quality of your own life?
Not reduce the potential cost of your unhealthy self on the free NHS system?
It is odd that you believe you are entitled to use the money you are saving the NHS by not remaining overweight for cosmetic surgery.
I suggest you think less about the burden you are in the system and more about your own future and the quality of life you would choose.

Im sorry to hear that Korma Hope you get your gall bladder removed soon.

The NHS is underfunded, the fault of the government not the people.

Over eating is a complex problem, it's causes are environmental as well as psychological. There are cheap fast foods everywhere. They are cleverly and consistently marketed. They are poisonous and addictive.

Where children are raised on this 'diet' and grow up to be obese is that their fault?
Where people cannot afford the time or money it takes to prepare healthy food is that their fault?

It is a consequence of capitalism.
according to WHO 2.8 million people die each year because of overweight. It is the biggest preventable cause of death next to smoking.

As well as the human costs there are environmental ones, such as destruction of the rainforest and over grazing of land.

There needs to be more support for over eaters and government intervention with big irresponsible companies.

NHS could be looking at psychological measures, prevention being better than cure.
But it's hard for a poor organisation like Pubkic Health England NHS to compete with the likes of Coca Cola.

We should be fighting these companies not fighting each other or the NHS.
IMO everyone deserves treatment if their problem be psychological or physiological.

With deals like TTIP on

The horizon it's only going to get worse.

It's scary.

Well said FriendofBill.

Back to the 'eat less, move more' when really the emotional reasons as to why people overeat are ignored and dismissed?

Yet you seem to have dismissed any possible reasons for those people who drink too much or have turned to drugs?

Addiction to any thing is complex. I would say food is the worst as you can give up alcohol or drugs, but you still have to eat. All three are very hard battles to fight.

Lose the weight. You will feel better and exercising will help. Good luck.

friendofBill Apart from the bit about underfunding, and I'd be happy to pay more tax for the NHS but if so I'd expect it to be far more accountable (take for instance my local CAMHS team - a 9-5 service that can't start an assessment before 9.30, often doesn't answer the phone before 9.15 or after 4.45) because the problems aren't always about financial resources.

However, buying food a d preparing food is a choice. I work fulltime. My DC didn't live on doughnuts and Mc Donald's. Those things were treats. They aren't overweight but oddly they were regarded as such when they were pre teenagers. Early puberty, Teutonic frames, charts that are out of date, school nurses who didn't understand the basics when disseminating the information.

I agree with losing weight for the health benefits but people aren't are they? (Including me - even though the health concerns scare the crap out of me)

From what you've said on here, I think if it weren't loose skin, it would be something else OP. For some reason you're self sabotaging your own attempts to lose weight. Address that and stop mithering about whether the NHS should pay for you to deal with any problems that arise if you do lose weight.

Not necessarily a choice Roses
I can give you examples from my personal experience and statistics.

Essentially you are saying people are choosing to live and die this way. I do not hold that it's a matter of choice.

You are fortunate that you had the time, transport, equipment and education to make the choices that you did, in addition to (probably) not being raised in an obese house or environment.

When I lived in the countryside with no transport or much money, aside from the very expensive and sparse local farm shop the only foods available to me were from the pub.
I did not have the choices you did.
That's one example.

What should children do when their parents are serving them unhealthy meals?

Go to your house?

I am certainly not dismissive of the addictions to anything but being addicted to food and self harming by over eating are not given as much understanding or help.

Yes I get that I sound like I am just making excuses and I really am not. More pondering on the reasons and what would be better for a nation long term. There are many reasons why I am failing to maintain a weight loss.

The eat less move more is just not working and at what point do we think about the underlying issues and help with that?

Cosmetic surgery should only be funded where it's needed after an accident or attack. Other than that, if a person wants it they should fund it. If they want it badly enough they will find a way, just like anything else in life.

The NHS already wastes money without adding to it.

So, reasons for overeating are extremely complicated yet promising people excess skin removal would overcome all these factors and motivate people to loose weight saving the NHS millions?

No one has said that Jelly
The OP has said it would be an incentive to her.

Fast food is not 'poisonous and addictive'.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23719144/

One quick google, study says sugar is addictive.

How did you afford the pub with no money?

Sounds like you are procrastinating to justify why you shouldn't lose weight. 'I cant lose weight because then I will have too much skin and the NHS wont remove it.'

Lose the weight, see what the skin looks like then and then explore possible options.

Dont use it as an excuse to delay losing weight.

No, along with anything there is no one answer to solve everything.

Sugar is addictive and everywhere! I had some little cocktail sausages the other day and could taste sugar. Yep, honey and sugar in the ingredients (I do know sausages, unless high meat content, are not great but sugar? Really?)

I don't think the nhs should fund something like that. We're unlikely to ever have a nhs funded to a level everyone is happy with. There'll probably always be things it won't fund because anytime it funds something like that it's diverted from another treatment that society may feel more worthy. It's wrong that it won't fund certain things currently due to its underfunding but even if that's solved we will always have someone somewhere have something that it won't fund. Stop thinking about how you're saving the nhs money by losing weight and do something about your unhealthy weight for yourself. You cannot know if you will have rolls of excess skin until you try it, and if you research it very carefully you may find that you can find a way to lose the weight in a way which minimises excess skin. You will not have woken up one day the size you are today and suddenly felt you needed to lose weight. I appreciate having a lot to lose can make excess skin a problem but don't use it as an excuse. You must have foreseen this as the weight crept on. It may be worth spending a while looking up on the Internet the exercises recommended to aid in losing excess skin while you're losing the weight. I hope you manage to get to a healthy weight and that you're happy with it but it really can't be for the nhs to fund and I think you know this. It will be hard but you will feel so much better for it.

With all due respect, sausages are not known for their weight loss properties.

FWIW, DH has recently lost a lot of weight. He is 53 and was in denial for years, despite high blood pressure, sleep apnoea and T2 diabetes. It was only when the medication was showing signs of not working that he really started to panic. He's been on a clinical trial and after months of minimal calories has now lost lots of weight, no longer has HBP or apnoea and his diabetes is in remission.

What has worked for him is

1. Willpower and determination
2. Less calories and a diet which is full of veg, oily fish, protein, etc (just as we all know we should eat)
3. Exercise.

It might not be there is no one answer to solve everything - but follow those 3 and you'll get there.

One quick google, study says sugar is addictive

One quick google pretty much always guarantees that you'll find a source supporting your POV

1 quick google will also the POV that sugar is NOT addictive

Ipost, your study supports what I'm saying.

Roses I was saying what was available, not what I did.

I never ate in the pub.

I know, and did say, re sausages but I expect them to be savoury!

Food we are buying is having sugar put in when it shouldn't have.

And yes I also know some people are capable of making better choices with regards to food but the reasons behind those abilities to make better choices are complicated.