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GCSE fail

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Cathaka15 · 25/08/2016 20:09

So my DS did not do well on his GCSEs. He was predicted much higher. He messed up big time Imo. He did not revise much and got cocky and played a lot on his ps4. He has always been very sure of himself and most often came through in the end. Not this time. Aibu to have had a major rant at him for not doing his best and for thinking he was ready when clearly he wasn't. Not even close. I'm feeling very sad inside but really annoyed at the same time. Sad

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kath6144 · 26/08/2016 08:40

cricketballs thanks for that insight, it is truly a sad way to go.

I am a Chartered Engineer, work in a large mulitnational engineering consultancy, which took on 12 UK-wide engineering apprentices for first time last year, being trained generally to start with, but likely to then specialise as civil, mech, Elec, with a degree to follow eventually. The previous apprentice in my office, a one off, went on to get highest marks in her Civil eng degree.

Both of those in my office are females, both 18, one a twin. They went through a hard recruitment process, so deserve their roles.

On A level results day, the twin was asking me about DS results and telling me her twin's result, an A in a non-academic subject, plus a couple of lower grades. She then said, and I kid you not*, I feel a failure for not doing A levels (I think she was part way through Maths and science when she got apprenticeship last year).

I was and still am gob-smacked that an 18yo, with an apprenticeship in a worldwide engineering consultancy, getting paid, able to run a car, doing a level 3 qualification via employer and likely to go on to a degree if she wants, considers herself a failure!! I was very vocal in telling her she was far from a failure.

What a sad indictment on our society, and how it has changed over the last few decades regarding attitudes to education/apprenticeships.

noblegiraffe · 26/08/2016 08:47

Just in case anyone wants confirmation of the old GCSE resits being available in November 2016 and June 2017, here's a link:

www.aoc.co.uk/news/ofqual-announces-gcse-english-and-maths-legacy-resits

Over-16s will be able to resit the style of paper they sat at school, but anyone in Y11 will have to sit the new GCSE for it to count in the league tables, to ensure that schools don't try to sneak kids through the 'easier' paper.

The extra resit was campaigned for by teachers, btw!

Carmen1983 · 26/08/2016 10:28

As a teacher of C/D borderline students, I am aware of the change in boundaries, which is harsh and I don't agree with. It makes my job harder than ever. It was the dismissal of GCSES earlier in the thread that I was objecting to. I agree with not ranting and raving at a child who has tried their hardest, but I don't agree with saying they just don't matter.

Idefix · 26/08/2016 11:05

I can imagine that is a tough area of teaching Carmen, I would agree that all results count especially where individuals have work hard to get their grades.

BoffinMum · 26/08/2016 11:17

I have had students on some of my courses who had patchy academic backgrounds but went on to get first class honours degrees. People mature in different ways at different times.

The secret if you bollocks it all up at 16 or 18 is to get on a good quality Access to HE course at your local FE college and give that a go. If you get a Merit you will have a really fantastic choice of universities and If you start to get Distinctions in the mix you are basically looking at Oxbridge.

Universities love Access students as they tend to be better prepared for university than AL students. So it's a real alternative to A Levels and needs serious consideration.

BoffinMum · 26/08/2016 11:20

Kath6144, this is indeed extraordinary as this type of route for Engineering used to be regarded as superior. It's how my dad became a pretty senior electrical engineer involved in projects at a national level, and more young people ought to see the value of this type of approach. I would be so unbelievably proud if one of my kids got an apprenticeship like that.

clary · 26/08/2016 16:56

Huababy I make that 9 GCSEs - 2 Eng, 2 science, maths, MFL, humanity plus 2.

A lot of schools still do 10 for some - if triple science is taken by higher ability it is often done in the same lessons as others do double (it is at the school I work at and my DCs' school too). Add the 3 sciences to 2 English, Maths and four option subjects and it makes 10. Which I agree is plenty btw, in fact 8 or 9 is fine.

Hulababy · 26/08/2016 17:17

Argh - yes it is 9 GCSEs they get isn't it! Its because the science is just one on the option form - didn't think.

So 9 now, 8 at lower levels in some local schools.
Triple at DD's school is in place of a 4th option (only English, maths and Science are compulsory - and have to go to see academic staff before able to do it to check suitability. As said before very few get to do a 10th as a Twilight - primarily Geology here I think, but sometimes a language, usually a 1st/2nd 'home' language.

Many of lour ocal schools have reduced them down looking at DD's friends options lists this year.

clary · 26/08/2016 17:37

;) Hula

The key thing is quality I reckon. DS dropped an option to give him more time to get everything done so with double science he only did 8 which was fine.

I cringe when I see posters talking about 14/15 GCSEs - no need at all.

pointythings · 26/08/2016 17:42

And some schools are choosing options in Yr8 and starting the GCSE course in Yr9 to still allow some options - the school my DDs are at does this. I'm in two minds - it suits my DDs down to the ground as they are happy to no longer take DT, ICT and Music and can get down to spending increased time on what they really enjoy. It won't suit everyone.

DD2 is doing more options than DD1 because a humanity is now compulsory for almost everyone. DD1 is doing 11 GCSEs next year - the top sets take RE as a full GCSE rather than a half one and she really enjoys it. DD2 will also be taking 11 - both are doing the course over 3 years rather than 2.

LuluJakey1 · 26/08/2016 18:26

66% of children who have gained a C grade in English and Maths would not be able to get the new equivalent of a Grade 5 - which equates to the bottom of a B grade and top of a C grade.
66% who will be deemed 'not good enough'.
What a way to get the best from children. It won't matter if 100% produce an exam performance which would have put them at the top of a C grade this year, 66% will be graded at 4.

TaIkinPeace · 26/08/2016 18:35

DS "did" 12
but one of them was the 3 day BCS thingy
and three of them were triple science in a double timetable slot
and two were maths in a single timetable slot
BUT
he commented that the kids who stacked up the A* were

  • ultra bright (only two of them)
  • those who took 9 subjects so could revise more for each.

Schools are now scored on the top 8
watch the numbers of GCSEs drop
which will confuddle Ofsted/DfE as they expect State schools to enter kids for exams in every timetable slot
so
either the curriculum will narrow right down (most likely)
or Ofsted and DfE will get real (flying pig just went past)

noblegiraffe · 26/08/2016 18:40

Lulu www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/ofqual-forces-exam-board-raise-c-grade-boundary-maths-gcse

Even this year it didn't matter whether loads of children performed better than they were expected to, Ofqual forced the exam board to raise the C grade boundary to ensure that only the acceptable pre-predicted amount of children passed.

DaniJade1990 · 26/08/2016 20:05

All I would say is not to worry, it's not the end of the world. I finished school with only 2 C's in English. I managed to blag my way to do a levels on the promise that I would complete my maths GCSE alongside that and I messed that up too! Fast forward a few years and I did an access course and am not about to start my 3rd year of a degree!

1pink4blue · 26/08/2016 20:41

this was my eldest ds 2 years ago he was predicted A and bs he ended up with cs and ds and a distinction* in sports development at college.
he didnt have the grades to do a levels so we rushed and got him enrolled in college to do sports development level 3 and he lasted 3 months and dropped out i didnt shout or have a go at him because it didnt change anything but i sat him down and asked him what he wanted to do.
he decided ICT was what he really wanted to do so he applied to a different college and got a very good reference from his school and he was accepted on the level3 course he didnt quite have the grades but his reference made the difference.
any way this year he retook his english and passed and he got a d* in his ict so he is taking the extended diploma this year and hopes to go to uni next year.
your son has got lots of options and im sure he will be fine.

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