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Who is BU here? MIL and thank you cards

92 replies

chocolatefudgecake157 · 22/08/2016 14:30

Long time lurker, first time poster

MIL is generally lovely. Very well-to-do, bit of a snob and name dropper but overall she is pretty cool, non-interfering and we get on well.

She is obsessive about thank you cards though. She sends me TY cards for her birthday presents each year. Every Xmas she emails DH (who is 33) with a reminder to do his TY cards and details of his presents (he comes from a large family, most live aboard). They have close family stay with them for Xmas, have done for 20 year. They always exchange TY cards for gifts a week later despite opening them in front of each other.

She'll never openly admit to it but she does judge people who don't send TY cards. She sent a wedding present and new baby present to a friend's son - never received a TY card and went on about it so much that her friend cooled the relationship with her for a while.

Anyway, my family are not TY card people. My dad's culture doesn't do them and my mum just never has.

When DH and I got married, my parents received millions of TY cards from her large family. MIL and FIL ALSO received loads of TY cards even though my family hosted the wedding and paid for pretty much all of it.

Anyway DH's brother recently got married and PILs invited my parents. They get on well (see each other once or twice a year) but it was mostly a political decision I think. PILs had very small numbers and couldn't invite certain groups without offending others etc. so my parents were a neutral option, very close by to the venue and could also have a hand in watching DS who is a toddler. My parents went and all was well but they didn't get a chance to say bye to PILs (busy wedding, they were taking DS home etc etc).

I mentioned to my mum that she should probably send PIL a card to say thanks. I said how ridiculous they are and they are too much with TY cards. in truth I'll admit that I thought MIL will probably be expecting one and that was the main reason for me suggesting it (of course, during a phone call last week MIL did mention how many lovely letters they've had about the wedding).

My mum knows how silly I find it all. She did say she'd planned to send one to the bride's parents but didn't think of sending one to PILs.

Anyway I mentioned it again a few days later and my mum hit the roof, saying she shouldn't have to send them a card, they are pathetic, have me wrapped round their finger and that she won't send one. It then spiralled into a huge row over how ridiculous my inlaws are and how I'm turning into one of them.

My dad, trying to be diplomatic, suggested an email saying something along the lines of it was nice to see them and they enjoyed themselves with no explicit thank you. But my mum won't even do that.

she didn't speak to me for 3 days! We've made up but I haven't broached the subject.

First world problem I know but is my mum right?

OP posts:
shovetheholly · 22/08/2016 15:04

No, you are not the one being unreasonable. You explained the situation, and presented it as a request, in the sense of 'Please just do it, it'll make my life easier'. It takes literally minutes to get and write a card - it's not like you asked her to run a marathon or take a week out to paint their house for them!!

My PIL are very much like yours - culture is quite formal. I send my MIL a thank you card when she has hosted us for a visit, let alone for a present or event. It is her culture that this is done, and I respect that she would not feel that I had thanked her if one didn't arrive. Even though I find it a bit overkill and would never expect one of my guests to write and say thank you, I appreciate that she feels differently and I want her to feel appreciated, and it is no real effort at all to do it. I pick up nice thank you cards from Paperchase or wherever when I am in.

I would always send a card to thank someone for a present. I think that's just basic politeness.

I think your Mum's reaction is totally off the scale bonkers. To go beserk like that for 3 DAYS is mad, not to mention really rude to you. It makes me think she feels really threatened by the mores of your PIL. In my family, the thank you think is a class-inflected thing, and I wonder if she feels like her manners are being criticised by the mere request that she alter her behaviour? It sounds very defensive, anyway. I would be honestly tempted to say 'Don't worry about sending a card, Mum, I'll just explain to PIL that you have no social grace'. Though I fear it would very much make the situation worse!!

HyacinthFuckit · 22/08/2016 15:06

MIL, and you for going along with her when you know better. Thank you cards as standard is ridiculous in this day and age, when we have modern and more convenient means of communication. Thank you cards for occasions when they're not even any kind of standard, as would be the case for thanking the groom's parents at a wedding, is beyond idiotic. You should've stuck to your instincts instead of trying to foist MILs bizarre behaviour on other people.

purplefox · 22/08/2016 15:11

Your MIL is ridiculous and you're getting just as bad by pandering to her ridiculous ways and dragging your mum in to do it as well.

I don't understand why your MIL needs a thank you card, it wasn't her wedding, your MIL didn't give your parents a gift. Sending thank you cards to the brides parents, getting a thank you card from the bride and groom.. its all just overkill.

Coconutty · 22/08/2016 15:12

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chocolatefudgecake157 · 22/08/2016 15:12

Thank you all so much! All comments very much appreciated. I'm apologising to my DM immediately.

I am guilty of pandering to my MIL and needed a good kick to make sure I don't do it again

OP posts:
Tiggeryoubastard · 22/08/2016 15:13

Buy your insane mil a book in etiquette. Or better still, just tell her that her manners are very poor.
Nobody should be expected to pander to such poor behaviour and ridiculous expectations (a card to the non hosts). Stop encouraging such outlandish behaviour and bad manners. And apologise for attempting to bully (yes, nagging is) your mother.
And it certainly isn't a 'class' thing to do this, as a pp tried to claim. If anything this bullying behaviour is the opposite of any class of decent behaviour. Seriously - stop pandering to her.

CafeCremeMerci · 22/08/2016 15:13

Guests send thank you cards to the hosts of the wedding? Really? Not in my 40 years on the planet have I heard that.

Invite send
RSVP sent
Wedding attended
Present given
Thank you card for present received (mostly)

...but people are also sending thank you cards for the invitation?

Where the hell does it stop?!

Tiggeryoubastard · 22/08/2016 15:14

Cross post but good result OP.

llhj · 22/08/2016 15:18

I think you're right to apologise. Your mother has her own manners and standards and it's not for you to dictate how she should behave, it's making quite a judgement call on her to do so. Don't let your MIL's choices on etiquette etc rule the roost.

CafeCremeMerci · 22/08/2016 15:18

Your MIL needs telling - she's WAY over the top.

I think your Mum has been a bit mean though, you asked her to do it to make your life easier, it wouldn't have killed her to just do it. Just because you're appeasing your MIL doesn't mean your 'turning into one of them' and it was a nasty thing to say to you.

Chippednailvarnishing · 22/08/2016 15:18

You can't post in AIBU and agree with people, it's not allowed Grin

Rubies12345 · 22/08/2016 15:22

Aren't gifts the thank you for the wedding hospitality? Unless they turned without a gift I wouldn't bother.

Also, TY cards are not needed when gifts are reciprocal. So if DH gets his relatives a gift at Xmas too, it's not necessary.

Missgraeme · 22/08/2016 15:23

At this rate your mil will expect a ty for even texting /calling /visiting people. Is she called Hyacinth?

PotteringAlong · 22/08/2016 15:25

I have been known to send thank you cards after a wedding but I'm clearly in the minority Blush

Ilovetea82 · 22/08/2016 15:27

Don't send one, tell you mil that's not how your family do things end of.
My MIl is the same, I thought (until reading this thread) she single handily kept thank you card businesses open.
She complained that it took 2 months for our wedding thank yous to be send (Honeymoon and then I was sent to a very remote location with work and no ability to post)
When lo was born we wanted to include a picture of him so it was 6 weeks by the time I got them sent,
Was smart this Christmas and sent them as soon as things arrived only for her to say her friends had expressed disappointment with the generic nature of them and that there was no personal update as to how lo was doing (ffs I have a life and do not live in pride and prejudice!)

When I have baby no 2 I plan to get the Internet to send generic cards (she will be so unimpressed lol)

Sorry sympathise with you but think your mil is also daft like mine and what your mum has done is totally ok, if your dad is happy to send an email I would go with that!

PotteringAlong · 22/08/2016 15:27

Meant to add - normally your MiL is right here - thank you cards are good manners and should always be sent after Christmas etc. However, on this occasion your mum is right, she doesn't need to send one to the grooms parents. BUT it wouldn't have hurt her not to dig her heels in to make your life easier. Can't your dad just send it on behalf of both of them? Your dad suggested the email - he can send it. Why does it have to be your mums job?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/08/2016 15:28

Well, I think your mum is right, she'd observed the usual niceties and really your PILs didn't need a thank you card.

OTOH, her over-reaction was completely unnecessary - yes she might be hurt that you're taking MIL's side, but really, how fucking painful is it to drop a card in the post? In comparison with you having to put up with snide commentary and sighing over "missing" thank you notes for years to come?

So, YABU to have chivvied your mum about it, but she WVU to go off like she did, total tantrum over-reaction.

Get your Dad to send the email.

Personally I am thrilled at the idea of never having to send thank you letters ever again, because almost everyone I know is on FB or email. AND it's more enviromentally friendly to send emails...

Gmbk · 22/08/2016 15:28

It is good manners to send a thank you card to the hosts after any kind of party including a wedding.

My parents recieved some after my wedding.

PeppaPigTastesLikeBacon · 22/08/2016 15:30

I send thank you cards for EVERYTHING and think that not sending them is quite rude but wouldn't send one on this occasion so I'm with your mum

shovetheholly · 22/08/2016 15:30

I can't believe people are saying that the OP's DM is right... for throwing a tantrum, yelling nasty things, and sulking for 3 days.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the etiquette regarding wedding thank yous, surely such behaviour is considered rude?

SatsukiKusakabe · 22/08/2016 15:38

She's not in the right for sulking but she is about the thank you issue in this instance, that's what people are being asked to comment on.

SatsukiKusakabe · 22/08/2016 15:39

Also, it is just as rude to nag an adult to do a task that's really not your look-out, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.

WhatHo · 22/08/2016 15:40

I am so with annaMarlowe and shovetheHolly here. I would expect to write a thank you letter to the people who paid for the wedding (so to speak, whether it's the parents or the couple themselves), if only to let them know that I had a damn good time. It's good manners TBH. An email would suffice frankly!

After my wedding I loved the notes I got saying how much they enjoyed it, it made the glow of a very happy, funny day last longer. That included email and texts, I'm not fussy.

Writing thank you letters is not weird. This is old-fashioned English and a few other societies (Japanese for example).

I also think your mum having a tantrum for three days about it is pathetic. Like Anna and Meditrina I hate being chased for thank you letters (makes me feel totally teenage and fuck you) but seriously? Three days? Apologise if you like but that's not cool.

HOWEVER: going forward... I think you are on a zero-sum game here. Unless you plan to nag your parents and family for every thank you letter they could possibly write in the future, they are going to disappoint your PILs at some point. Might as well explain to them now that your family don't do it, but it doesn't mean they don't care.

Welshrainbow · 22/08/2016 15:40

Your MIl seems a bit over the top with the TY letters and cards but seems like your mum is being more than a bit unreasonable about taking 30 seconds out of her day to send an email to your in laws and her reaction was way OTT.

BeMorePanda · 22/08/2016 15:43

TY cards are killing the planet. Well one of the many wasteful, unnecessary things that are killing the planet.

Your MIL sounds frankly ridiculous - which she is entitled to be I guess. But you don't need to all dance to her tune/join in.

I understand where your DM is coming from - you are trying to expand the MIL TY insanity into your life.

Glad you are apologizing to your DM - I'm sure it will all be forgotten about soon enough.

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