To think FFS re sad faced breast feeding mums in the Daily Fail?

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Single-mother, 33, thrown out of West End show for breast feeding

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Fuck off ... And fuck off some more! Ear defenders or not this WAS NOT the place for your offspring! Aggggh!!!

FFS team baby was 10 months old! It really doesn't still need to be with mum constantly for feeding, she should have left the baby with a babysitter.

I would be livid if I'd spend £200 on tickets as well as £60 for my own babysitter, only to have the show ruined for me by someone else's screaming baby.

Utterly, utterly selfish and so bloody entitled!

Thanks for the googling mathanxiety but the reviews mean fuck all.

I am getting a very clear impression from many of you that you don't like babies

I'm getting the distinct impression from you that you are either on a wind up or just a bit of a knob.

You seem a little over-invested, math. No doubt the audience read the reviews and decided to give ithe show a punt anyway. You must have been a pretty precocious 13 year old if you went to punk concerts in 1977. As audiences were largely male, conceptions would have been rare! I'm really surprised the venue let the baby in. A small baby might have slept through the whole thing but at ten month they would be really hard to keep still even if they weren't actually noisy as this one seems to have been.

math - so because a show isn't to your taste it's fine for it to be disrupted?!

Newsflash - the audience's behaviour levels aren't generally expected to match the success of the reviews. A lot of school plays, for example, are a bit shit. Doesn't mean the audience don't have to uphold basic manners.

I don't know if you are aware, but the role of theatre censor, which you seem so keen on applying for, was disbanded in 1968.

It matters not one flying fuck what the reviews say about its artistic merit, it's still a west end play that people have paid £££ to see and deserve to watch according to the conventions of basic theatre going behaviour ie. You don't bring a screaming baby.

As to 'not liking babies': FFS. I have no objection to babies whatsoever, IN THE APPROPRIATE SETTING. Mine is due after Christmas and whether I like the baby or not I will not be taking it to the fucking theatre.

I like macaroni cheese, in the appropriate setting, like at the dinner table. I would be pretty fuxked off if someone started eating it during my wedding vows, or whilst we were burying my grandma. There's a time and place for things even if you do like them and this was not the time and place for a screaming baby.

I agree with math in that if they let her in with the baby in the first place, it was discrimination to throw her out for breastfeeding.

FFS, she wasn't thrown out for breastfeeding. She was thrown out because her baby was screaming.

Just having lactating boobs doesn't mean a free pass to do whatever you want. If you are breastfeeding and put a diamond ring in your pocket in the shop and are subsequently arrested, you were not arrested for breastfeeding, you were arrested for stealing. If you murder someone whilst breastfeeding, you get arrested for murder, not breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is not diplomatic immunity.

math Gig, this was not. This was a show!
So people now don't like kids just because they wouldn't want to have spent £100's on tickets to have it ruined by a screaming baby?
It really doesn't matter if it's not your taste, it's others.
Greenday is also not punk.

NRTFT.

I BFd DD til she was 3 and I am fiercely supportive of a woman's right to BF in public without covering up, without being answerable for it and being able to do it without harassment.

However...it really really fucks me off when people take babies to wildly inappropriate places (the theatre at 10mo, WTF?!) but think BFing means it's fine to be there. It's bloody selfish, find a babysitter!

SWNBU for BF her child, SWBU for taking a baby into the theatre regardless of feeding method

At what point does someone say to themselves. You know what I think I might take my child to a west end show and not think that there might be issues? Stupid entitled cow. We take my son nearly everywhere but would never even consider taking a 10 month old to a theatre performance. How lkvely for all the people having a special trip to the theatre to be met with a screaming child. The theatre show never have let her in in the first place tbh

I took a 4m old to an open air theatre. He was still at the stage of cluster feeding so very happily spent the whole performance being quietly latched on.

We were on holiday so a baby sitter wasn't viable, not that his appetite would have been satisfied in any other way. The theatre is dependent on tourists for its survival, so families are permitted. I wasn't the only person there with a young family even though it was a performance of Moliere (showing off my cultured credentials I wanted to go as I'd undergone the trauma of studying one of his plays in A level French)

Taking a baby to a theatre is very much a delicate balance of the type of performance and the nature of the baby.

Allowing a baby to be a disruption to others is unreasonable, particularly to the stage where staff have to intervene.

Playing the breastfeeding card afterwards is doubly unreasonable, as it affects opportunities for other breastfeeders.

So it's fine to go to a show about a bunch of selfish and entitled and mixed up, directionless youths but not ok to sit in an audience with someone you consider to be selfish and entitled?

You're happy to shell out £200 to see a show about disaffected youth but one disaffected youth in your general proximity has you spitting nails...

I find the irony very funny.

Joking aside though, we need to be clear that this woman and her baby committed no crime here. Despite how angry it seems people get when babies cry in public, or pee, or poo, or puke (the temerity of them!) none of those things is a criminal act.

The thing about the right to breastfeed in public is that this means babies are going to be out in public in all the places their mothers go. The intent of the legislation is to help women make the decision to breastfeed for at least the first year of their baby's life.It is recognised that the prospect of putting your life on hold makes many women keen to formula feed.

So we need to wrap our minds around the concept of EBF babies and mothers being together 24/7 if the legislation permitting public breastfeeding is to have any meaning. It doesn't matter if you think a baby of ten months doesn't need to be with its mother/should be on solids, etc. If the babies and the mothers are to be separated then the legislation might as well not have been passed. A right that cannot actually be exercised is not a right.

Taking a baby to a theatre is very much a delicate balance of the type of performance and the nature of the baby.
This is where the reviews come in, particularly the review pointing out that the show is a bunch of Green Day songs pieced together with a really thin plot and crudely written characters, and the one that called it "90 minutes of uninterrupted chaos".

The management intervened because adults made nuisances of themselves.

math - your snobbery is exhausting. People have the right to see a show about whatever they want, not just what you seem appropriate - that's pretty much the definition of cultural diversity - and they have the right to see the show they have paid for undisturbed by a screaming baby.

I don't understand why you are so fixated on the subject of the play - of course it is fine to watch a show about selfish and entitled people but not want to put up with them in real life!! I quite enjoyed 'The Silence of the Lambs' - by your logic that means I should be happy to sit next to a cannibalistic serial killer to watch it?! Are you on glue...?

God, I bet you have a lot of friends mathanxiety

DH and I went to see a West End show for a big birthday celebration. The tickets were ££s but my Mum and Dad paid as a treat.

If it had been ruined by a screeching baby I would have been heartbroken.

Luckily it was just full of sensible people that evening.

So math, using your own logic - if this play was about something highbrow, which you approved of and which had good reviews- then the baby shouldn't be there right? So no lactating at the RSC?

math go home love, nobody cares about what you have to say anymore, you've bored us enough with your snobbery and your "I'm so cool, I remember real pumck, I went once to a gig and smashed a bottle on my knee and glassed the guy next to me whilst screaming "God save the queen" " Jesus fucking wept, some people are tiresome at best

There are a heaps of things to do in London with a baby, why go the theatre? Zoo, aquarium, parks, lidos etc? I used to love going to theatre, now we don't go as we have a 10 mo and it's not appropriate to take her

Women and their breastfeeding babies do not need to be together 24/7, where on earth have you got that from? If that's the case why can I not take my 9m old mostly breastfed baby to work with me?

math are you actually serious with your posts or just winding others up? ( really hope you're winding people up).

This mother was not kicked out for breastfeeding, she's just trying to play that card for sympathy.

So we need to wrap our minds around the concept of EBF babies and mothers being together 24/7 if the legislation permitting public breastfeeding is to have any meaning.

Having functioning boobs does not mean you get to go everywhere and do everything. You can't drive a car and breastfeed at the same time. Does anyone dispute that? No, you pull over in a safe place and feed your child. Same goes for anyone with a hungry child, regardless of the status of their feeding method. And you don't take a screaming baby to a theatre show despite the status of your tits.

I would complain about a screaming baby, with no regard for how it eats, just as I would complain about a rowdy 8 year old, regardless of whether they were eating fruit or crisps. How your feed your child does not mean that you are elevated to sainthood and your child should get away with disrupting the other theatre goers.

DS went to his first musical at 2 1/2 - a Thomas the Tank Engine one. He was good and sat through it without moving (not even sure he was blinking really!). But that doesn't mean I think I should book him tickets to an adult targeted show and expect others to tolerate it if he can't sit still (he's 4 1/2, of course he can't sit still!), so I took him to a child friendly matinee performance of Cats. My reproductive choices do not mean I get to inflict my offspring on the rest of the world in places where there is a reasonable expectation of behaviour and noise levels.

Ditto motherducker, I have breastfed 4 babies for a total breastfeeding time of nearly 8 years (not each) and gone back to work after six months without too much drama.

The problem with the 'breastfeeding dyad that cannot ever be separated' approach is that, IMO, as a HCP it actually puts women off continuing breastfeeding. They get the impression that they can't ever be not available to their babies and switch to formula so they can work, exercise, study etc. It's the opposite to the approach that should be promoted IMO, which is that for many women it's quite possible to continue breastfeeding after they return to work, especially if the baby's on solids or the work is part time.

How many women read the article and think, Fuck that, I'm not going to breastfeed if I can't leave my baby for two hours when they're 10 months!

My objection to this account by the bfeeding mother is the misuse of discrete when referring to her covert attempt at bf .It is discreet!

Pedantry apart I can't believe she took a 10 month old to the theatre, what is this entitled country coming to?

Gosh what a huge amount of effort Math has gone to copying and pasting all those reviews and lecturing us about the history of punk (quite amazing really that out of all the members of MN only Math lived through it at the right age to understand it) and yet fails so spectacularly to see the point.

How many women read the article and think, Fuck that, I'm not going to breastfeed if I can't leave my baby for two hours when they're 10 months!

Well according to Mathanxiety it's a 24/7 task.

I've seen this show 3 times and the ticket office have always said that it isn't suitable for under 14s. Id never dream of taking a baby to the theatre. My dd would have been a nightmare and I couldn't have relaxed. There is a reason why her first theatre experience was Peppa pig. Having said that, I wish the theatre management at the Nottingham Playhouse had been as proactive in chucking out the people who were wailing loudly to every song and screaming 'fuck yeah!' Like it was a concert. Then filming parts of the show with the flash light on. That was more annoying than one baby ever could have been.