beans mash and sausages is a healthy meal

[madhurjazz]

Mother in law thinks its junk food. But the beans contain 1 of your 5 a day, mashed potatoes are just veg and a good source of carbs and the sausages are full of essential protein.

We often have ketchup, this has been shown to reduce many cancers like prostate, and a glass of juice.

Seems healthy to me and not junky.

I was reminded of this thread last night as we had a roast dinner which my 3 year old hates. So I supplied bread and butter with it. Wholemeal, before the people with food anxiety tell me off.

He had a bite of everything on his plate which is a massive improvement as he used to get really upset. Then ate bread and butter and tried a nibble of roast dinner again and repeat until 'his' 2 slices of bread was up.

He really struggles with textures/tastes since weaning and has been sick trying to eat things before. His palate is gradually expanding though so I think he'll get there eventually. However, because of his fussy nature Idon't have things like chocolate spread as he would be a child that would only eat jam sandwiches or the equivalent for every meal.

I have never been a fussy eater though so I find it very frustrating but I internalise it. My eldest is like me and eats everything with gay abandon. My dh was very fussy when he was younger, though he's not now, so I blame him.

Well tonight we are having something far worse than OPs meal. We're having sausage rolls (homemade) chips and beans.
The dc are very excited to be making their own sausage rolls.

That sounds eminently sensible to me roundtable, keep the faith with the 'real' food.

Nothing wrong with an occasional sausage roll either if it's offset with other healthier options most of the time.

I hope so. He also won't eat hot/warm food. Waits for it to go cold before attempting it. My dm thinks I indulge him but she is strange about food and always struggles with food and weight issues.

HRF - you have given me inspiration for dinner. I used to make them every so often but haven't done so in the last couple of years. Delicious!

Nothing wrong with an occasional sausage roll
I know there's not. They're delicious

Happy to help roundtable

I was thinking about this thread earlier when shopping and planning food for the week. I was thinking about the recommendation/pp who said processed meat should be eaten once a week. I would find that so difficult and it would be a complete change from the food i grew up with and consider as a 'normal' meal.

For example on a Sat and Sunday we tend to have a cooked breakfast of some sort - so sausages/chorizo and or bacon maybe with eggs/beans etc. Lunches about 3 times a week are things like smoked mackerel, tinned tuna or brunswick ham. Dinners a couple of times will be gammon steaks, tinned stewed steak pie, fried rice with chopped gammon (left of from a gammon roast), fish pie or kedgeree made with smoked haddock, sausage and mash/toad in the hole. On the other days we will eat salmon, chicken or minced beef or lamb.

But if the week is made up of 21 meals, I reckon 8-10 of them have processed meat/fish in.

On a separate happy note, today ds1 ate porridge and bran with whole milk for breakfast, half a peeled chopped apple and a tbsp of houmous with his chicken sandwich and breadsticks for lunch and 2 broccoli florets with his sausages and skin on chips for dinner. I am very happy. This is the best he has eaten in years. Hurrah!

The smoked fish isn't an issue. It's the nitrates, salts and other preservatives in the gammon, chorizo, bacon, ham and sausages.
Are there things you could swap them for? It's hard because like most salty fatty foods they're all bloody delicious!

Only two foods (processed meat and salty fish Chinese style) are confirmed carcinogenic and placed in the same category of proven dangerosity along with well know poisons. And processed meat is not only dangerous because of the chemicals used in it but also because of the processing method to give the meat a longer shelf life and better taste. So even the "nice" butcher sausage are bad. It's like saying I don't smoke nasty cheap cigarettes, only expensive Cohibas cigars.

This is the World Health Organisation, not a blogger, TV nutritionist, ... There is a warning about processed meat. And I think that if a food is a group 1 carcinogenic, it shouldn't be eaten, especially not 8-10 times per week as a PP was showing how present processed meat is in our typical diet. Processed meat is not the bad guy of the week and last week bad guy was sugar, fat, ....

Yes, but a little of that stuff is fine and is not going to kill you the question is are we eating a little or a lot of it and defending that we are eating it high and loud, even being proud that we are eating it.
When I mentioned earlier in the thread that a meal with sausage couldn't be considered healthy as there was a health warning on sausages, plenty of posters reacted by stating they would have a sausage just to prove a point. I am just not sure to whom.

Egosumquisum I was answering Koala's point where she was expressing concern that 8-10 of her weekly meals contain processed meat or smoked fish.
The smoked fish (especially the mackerel) is great.
But when it comes to the processed meat, unfortunately that delicious homemade sausage roll HerRoyalFattyness has probably made and eaten by now really should be it for the rest of the week.

I don't think there is anything i could swap them for, as much as have to just not have them at all. They are fairly integral to what i am cooking, so it would mean having completely different food. The trouble is DH would just not eat/like a diet which was different.

For example a typical week for dh would be - Sunday - spicey chorizo, peppers and eggs, ham and cheese paninis, roast chicken with sausage stuffing. Monday would be dippy eggs, chicken baguette, gammon steaks, jackets spuds and veg. Tuesday - bacon sandwich, tuna salad jacket potato, tinned steak pie. Weds - shit in a box, ham salad roll, chilli. Thurs - dippy eggs, chicken and spicey rice, fish pie and veg, Fri - bacon sandwich, sushi, indian/chinese takeaway. Sat - full English, soup and rolls, burgers and chips and salad.

I do worry about the processed food in his diet, but i can't think of anything else he would eat. I eat the same dinners and the breakfasts at weekends but week time breakfasts and lunches tend to be muesli/fruit/yogurt, avocados on toast/omelette/tuna/mackerel salad/cheese sandwiches.

Also non processed food would require effort and time i just can't muster. In fact i'm actually going to stop cooking as much now, so the processed food intake is going to shoot up. I can't see any way round it for us.

Mash and good sausages are fine. Baked Beans are horrid, syrupy gook. It's not going to set the world on fire - one portion of fairly carry processed veg, but it's one meal and if you like eating it who cares.

I am just saying that you cannot label a meal with sausages as healthy when there is a health warning on them.

If it is the one called mash and sausages is a healthy meal yes

Yes, I know. We just differ on our health definition. Mine is not based on nutrition but on health and I was answering the OP, by saying you cannot define a meal as healthy if there is a health warning on one of its components.
You can disagree with me and the WHO and state that it is fine when integrated in a balanced diet.
Your opinion on one side and hundreds of biologists, oncologists, doctors on the other side. I pick to listen to them, you listen to who you want. Both of us are happy and happily express our opinion.

Just for a couple of seconds, stop to think about this World Health Organisation warning. Do you have an idea what it takes to make such a statement official and going against the powerful lobby of the meat industry. It takes balls and strong, very strong evidence.

Of course I am constantly surrounded by carcinogen which I can't control, but I can control what I put in my mouth.

I'm going camping at the weekend. Saturday's dinner that I've got planned is smash and heinzs beans and sausages...