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AIBU to be hurt and find this wildly inappropriate?

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AnotherNewPhoneCase · 27/07/2016 11:41

Backstory: I'm 19, DM died in Feb, live with Step Dad (SD)

I have known for a while SD has been OD and speaking to women, found out by accident, no snooping involved just happened to look through the window at the wrong time and see him on Match. Anyway he's been going out a lot and not telling me who with (only asking in a friendly way, that sounds nice who did you go with etc) and he would ignore me. Whatever he's an adult. Anyway he's not told me he's seeing anyone until I wake up one day and hear a woman downstairs Hmm. I'm on holiday from work. I make it plainly clear I am at home as I sometimes stay at BFs house by shutting my bedroom door loudly as I go to have a shower. Spend a long time faffing to see if they leave. Go downstairs and find her laying on the sofa (where my mum used to sit, but not her fault she didn't know) have a short conversation in the kitchen with SD about my weekend away. Gets to the elephant in the room 'Zoe's in there if you want to meet her'. I said 'maybe when I'm not in my pyjamas' (had to get clothes from dryer) SD repeats what I said and laughs presumably so Zoe could hear. It doesn't matter because SHE CAME IN ANYWAY and I was trapped in the kitchen making polite chit chat about their weekend away and their rickety hotel. All in all I wore yesterday's clothes and left to see my brother.

I've had no warning this would happen and went out at 2;30pm stayed at BFs and came home today when he went to work, and she stayed the night????? My DM hasn't been dead 6 months and he's bringing someone else home? They were together 16 years and I'm just baffled by how he thinks this is okay.

Sorry for rambly post but I need to know who's being U

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Ladythraps · 28/07/2016 00:20

Eatsshitandleaves

thank you also for your virtual flowers and kind comments.

You have uttered some absolute pearls of wisdom and I will be repeating these at some point and in my own words to my dad. You have absolutely nailed it...another woman in your family home, sleeping in your mum's bed and sitting in her chair. The feeling is heartbreaking and they're oblivious to it, which makes it even more painful that the person who brought you up is so very insensitive to your basic needs. It's the fact they they simply don't 'get it' and think I'm being some sort of pedant that hurts the most. I'm not feeling this way to be awkward and spoil their fun, I'm feeling this way because it bloody hurts!

A friend suggested I contact new woman (who I met once) and explain my feelings. She felt that it may have more impact. What do others think? I honestly feel like screaming at her about her insensitivity as another woman. Her husband has been dead ten years so her children have had a long time to come to terms with both their dad's death and their mum meeting another man. My dad has met her children and grandchildren and has been welcomed with open arms, which makes me feel like even more of a stick in the mud. I have pointed it out to my dad that her kids have had ten years to grieve where as I had seven months. Again, it fell on deaf ears.

Another thing I have noticed is that, whenever you tell people why you're so upset about your dad moving on so quickly, they just say, "oh, that's men for you!" As if it's some sort of excuse and totally reasonable. This really gets to me too. It's like...well, he's a man...it's what they do...get over it...

Sorry if anyone thinks I've hijacked this post. I sincerely didn't mean to. I just have very similar feelings re OP and hoped to benefit too from some of the mumsnetters wise words.

Thanks for all the good wishes and advice anyway. You're a good bunch!

Ladythraps · 28/07/2016 02:29

Bump. Anyone?

Somerville · 28/07/2016 02:48

Ladythraps I'm kind of on the other side of this, as I'm widowed, and in a new relationship, myself. I've felt guilt and confusion at various stages, so not saying in anyway that I have the answers. But I'm awake, so maybe I can help a bit. Smile

Firstly, sorry that you lost your mum. Flowers

I'm going to have a little think now about whether I think you should talk to your dad's lady friend. I don't want to write anything rashly.

TheClaws · 28/07/2016 03:43

My Dad was remarried a year after my Mum's death - with my blessing.

It was hard for a time. His new wife had known my mother very well and helped Mum and Dad when Mum was suffering from dementia and cancer at a relatively young age. Her own husband had passed away from cancer not long before, too. The thing is they were hiding their romance from me, thinking I would be upset. My stepmum (I don't mind calling her that) was ducking out of photos on trips for that reason! In the end I caught wind of it - I suspected anyway - and told my Dad I was far more upset about the sneaking around. I really just wanted him to be happy and to have companionship after all the years of illness and sadness. I was sad for my Mum, yes - but so pleased for him.

Funnily enough, even though I was in my late thirties then, I felt like an adult for the first time Wink

Somerville · 28/07/2016 03:53

Okay, Ladythraps. Here goes:

I've met many widows and widowers at a group I attend, and know others online. I've heard a few things in my own grief counselling which I've also observed to be true.

  • People who had the longest, happiest marriages are often the fastest to get into new, good relationships, because they find the loneliness the hardest to deal with.
  • There is no such thing as moving on, after losing a spouse. But each of us needs to find a way of keeping on going, and for some widow/ers part of the way to do that is a new relationship.
-The new partner is never a replacement for the deceased spouse. Never, ever, ever.
  • Nor do you remove your love from one to give it to the other. You know how you love your first child with every fibre of your being, and then you have another, and love them all over again just as much, without the love for DC1 diminishing? It's like that.
  • There isn't a rule book of how to behave as a widow/er, yet many people have opinions on the right/respectful way we should behave, and it gets very confusing.
-it really is possible to be incredibly sad about losing one person and be happy to find someone else all at the same time.

Having said that, the 'men deal with grief differently' thing fucks me off too - grief doesn't absolve people from acting like a decent human being, and not considering the feelings of their children is unkind and thoughtless. But many bereaved men don't behave like that, and indeed, some women do too.

I have heard about and witnessed a few incredibly fast new relationships - days or a few weeks. But most people wait months, some years. And, honestly, 7 months as in your father's case, isn't super-quick. I don't mean to belittle your feelings - or your mum - by saying that. And it would have been too fast for me - I'm not trying to justify my own actions here. But if 7 months isn't okay, when would have been? A spurious amount of months or years? When could you dad have loved again without hurting you?

And another thing - you said upthread that you're married with your own kids. And no siblings. So presumably your dad lived alone after your mum's death? I can't think of anything worse than living alone after losing a spouse. After putting my DC to bed my nights were so lonely - still are, sometimes (hence still online - distraction from feeling sad - today was a significant date and so particularly hard.)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that whilst I can see that you find your dad's actions upsetting, and why, I can also see why he hasn't ended his relationship because of your feelings. He knows he's not replacing your mum in his heart. And he knows that it is him, and not you, who has to live with the loneliness of living alone if he ends his new relationship.

I'm not saying not to talk to this woman. But I would advise both thinking about their relationship from your dad's perspective, and about what you want to achieve, before you do. If it's to say that you're still grieving for your mum, then fine. If it's to ask her to step aside from the relationship with your father, then... what if she did, and your father's grief and loneliness got worse?

Finally, grief counselling has helped me beyond measure. My kids, too. I can't recommend it highly enough.

Sorry I fi havnt been sensitive enough in this reply. Your grief came through your words so strongly. I really am very sorry you lost your mum, and that this situation has increased your heartbreak. I just know how overwhelming the loneliness at losing your mum will have been for your dad, too.

Fomalhaut · 28/07/2016 03:54

Dh and I are outside a similar situation looking in - one bereaved spouse moving on incredibly quickly (although a woman in this case.) I have to say it's unnerving somehow to see people moving on so fast.
On top of that you've got all the extra emotions that suicide brings. This must be incredibly hard for you. I echo pps who say you're dealing with it remarkably well and sound like a very sensible and mature young woman.
Counselling I think is the way to go- there is an awful lot for you to process here. Flowers

Longlost10 · 28/07/2016 05:29

I'm sorry this is hard for you, but noone has actually done anything wrong. It is an adjustment you will have to make, many many people who lose a parent make the same adjustment, sooner or later. In your case, not being a blood relative, your position depends on good will. Luckily it seems you have that. I have been in the same position twice. My Dad met his new partner the same week my mother died, as it happened, although they didn't actually become partners for some years, they were colleagues and then friends first. When my Dad died, 15 years later, my step mum married again, and they now live in the home that was originally my childhood home, and my parents house. I don't always find it easy, especially as it is still full of my mother's furniture and possessions, and those things are being used by people who never met her, not just step mum and her husband, but their families too. Nothing that can be done about it, just have to toughen up and develop a thick skin, and enjoy the positive aspects of our relationship. These two people consider themselves the grandparents of my DC, and they are both good people.

youarenotkiddingme · 28/07/2016 06:06

Wow you've been through a lot for one so young yet come across as very mature and level headed.

I understand why it's hard for you to have another woman in house with SD. It's only been 6 months.
I do wonder though if for your SD its his way of coping?
Losing a loved one to suicide is very difficult (often different emotions to someone that's died of natural causes/illness). But you also say he's not sleeping in him and your mums room?

I think councelling would be highly beneficial for you and if you can get SD to come along it would beneficial for him too.

Flowers
KittyKrap · 28/07/2016 07:03

Anothernewphonecase, you are being amazing and seriously mature in this madness.

I also know a man who married his late wife's nurse a month after she died. Some people just can't be alone, I also heard/read that men (in particular) that had a good marriage, want to replicate that again.

kmc1111 · 28/07/2016 07:07

6 months isn't an unusually short period of time, for men or women. Female widows who want future relationships tend to start dating again just as fast as men, it's just that a lot of older women opt out of that entirely whereas men rarely do, so most of us will know more widowed men who are dating or remarried.

People aren't replaceable, you can be joyfully happy with someone and still be mourning another. My first long-term partner died suddenly. It's now a lifetime ago and he's still very much in my head, and every so often his death hits me like a ton of bricks. If I'd waited til I had properly 'moved on', I daresay I'd still be single all these years later.

I started seeing someone 4 months after he died. People judged me for the speed of it, but honestly time doesn't help much. Once the initial outpouring of grief was over, I was still devastated by his death. Years on, still devastated. Decades on, still devastated. Dating helped me piece together a new life and start looking forward. I could have spent years wallowing in the what ifs, and people might have been more comfortable with that, but it would have destroyed a big chunk of my life.

RubbishMantra · 28/07/2016 07:29

You poor love.

I had to post because I lost my Husband through suicide a year ago. It's a shocking kind of death, because he made the decision to die, yet he didn't, because he'd been suffering from Schizophrenia since his teens. He was 35. We'd only been together 5 years.

Suicide takes a lot longer to come to terms with than other deaths. Please follow up some of the links people have posted, I'm not sure if anyone has suggested contacting SoBS.

A year on and I couldn't even consider the idea of any sort of relationship, apart from friendship, with anyone. He's clearly not considering your feelings, having another woman sleep over so quickly. He should have at least discussed it with you first. Also why aren't they staying at "Zoe's", and why booking hotels if "Zoe" is single?

If you want to see the note your DM left, and your SD isn't forthcoming, I'm pretty sure the police will have a copy.

Regarding the house, from your post, it seems as if they had beneficial joint tenancy. Were they actually married? If so, then it makes no difference if they were tenants in common or beneficial joint tenants - he gets your family home. But if they weren't married, they will possibly be tenants in common, which means your DM's portion of your home will pass to the eldest child.

If they were married/beneficial joint tenancy then hopefully he will do the decent thing and provide enough money for you to put a deposit down to buy a place of your own, by re-mortgaging.

You could seek legal advice re. your home. Most solicitors will offer a free consultation, if you feel up to ringing around a bit.

I'm so, so sorry for your loss. It gets lighter to bear, I promise. x

ExtraHotLatteToGo · 28/07/2016 07:35

I think starting another relationship in this time frame is very disrespectful, but his life, his choice.

HOWEVER, bringing another woman into his step daughters home like this is disgraceful and he should be ashamed of himself.

ANPC. I'm so sorry to hear about your Mum 💐 I hope you can get some help to process everything & hopefully some legal advice about the house as I'm pretty sure you'd have some rights over it.

AnotherNewPhoneCase · 28/07/2016 09:54

I chickened out of the letter for fear of how he'd react, sorry! I'll just try corner him and ask how long she's staying because as of now I don't feel comfortable having another woman in the house when I had no idea he was even seeing anyone

rubbish they were married and there's no mortgage since they bought the house outright. He sold his house and my mum got the 50% council discount since she was a tenant for so long. But I see what you mean

Thank you everyone for your kind words X

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 28/07/2016 10:18

Somerville says some very wise words, and its helpful for me to read that too, really it is. we had an incredibly hurtful situation this end that I struggled with.

However, it does seem to solely focus on the feelings of the bereaved partner, and their right to be happy

Bit it does not take away from the fact that if a parent, child or sister see their child/mum/sister be replaced so fast its incredibly and deeply painful. and that's a fact, and there is NOTHING than can be done about that .

So whilst I respect that the bereaved partners have every right to move on, and god knows they often have it the worst, having to either nurse their partner, or in OPs case handle their devastating suicide

anyway this sounds like I am disagreeing, and I am not. But I also have so much empathy for OP and Lady.

Losing a parent is a bit like losing a leg on a table, you are so wobbly and not quite so stable and structured afterwards-

don't apologise about the letter, I understand- sometimes writing the letter in your head is all that's needed

AnotherNewPhoneCase · 28/07/2016 11:00

Spoke to SD, it wasn't too bad. She's staying until the end of the week and they've been seeing eachother for a month. (The conversation wasn't this blunt) I think I'll reiterate the fact I'll be staying at BFs until she leaves because I'm uncomfortable.

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Somerville · 28/07/2016 12:02

Another I wrote you a reply last night and see it hasn't posted - I'm on holiday and only have intermittent wifi connection.

Glad you spoke to your stepfather.

Your situation is a tricky one because you are right on the cusp of being a dependant child and an independent adult with your own life. And the added complication of the house and inheritance. So it's hard to know what to advise. But keeping lines of communication open with your stepfather, and going elsewhere for emotional support as he may find it hard to keep on keeping on and help you with your grief.

I'm very sorry that your mum died and you've been given some excellent recommendations of places to go for RL support. There's a lot of it out there, once you flag yourself up as needing it. Flowers

Somerville · 28/07/2016 12:36

stopfuckingshoutingatme Yes I agree that there are wider concerns than just the perspective of the bereaved partner. And that was very much on my mind 16 months after my DH died and I discovered that the chap I'd met through work was interested in asking me out. Partly also because our mutual friend told him I wasn't ready to move on from my husband or replace him (Ugh, hate both those phrases.). More than all the other fears about coping about dating, I wasn't sure if that was long enough to be okay, and if I'd be judged to no longer love my DH. But the only way I can describe it is that when I met him, part of me that had felt like it died along with my DH, very suddenly seemed to come back to life. Even so, it took about half of MN telling me 16 months was definitely long enough, and not one dissenting voice from that opinion, before I contacted him.

My kids were my main concern. After a few weeks I told him that I needed to tell my kids I was dating, and that if they were upset we needed to continue just meeting up while they were at school or busy. They weren't unhappy about it - in fact they like it that I'm happier and less lonely, and they now know and like him too.

I have had some snarky comments about moving on very fast. But all the people who matter have been happy for me. Including DH's family. A lot of people told me it was bittersweet, and had a little cry. But then they've been there for me. Was it because 16 months was a magical number that was socially acceptable? Don't think so. But if this had happened after 16 weeks they might not have been so accepting, I don't know.

I can only reiterate, also, that a new relationship is in no way replacing the spouse/parent who has died. That's not what is being done.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 28/07/2016 12:52

I think you have handled things very sensitively, and you have prioritised your children - I wish you the best X

and 16 months is VERY different to 16 days Grin

Shizzlestix · 28/07/2016 13:22

Just be careful telling him you won't be there if she is: you're limiting yourself a great deal from being in your own home. Can you make a deal with him whereby she comes on certain days? Why the heck is she staying til the end of the week when they've been together a mere month?

Please find out your exact legal position regarding the house. My parents are tenants in common and 50% of the house will belong to me and my db when one parent does, then completely to us when both die. If only his name is now on the deeds, you are not entitled to stay there if there is a falling out.

Lunar1 · 28/07/2016 16:22

Staying till the end of the week is pretty disgusting. I'd be quietly looking into your rights regarding the house. Does she definitely leave him everything?

PurpleAquilegia · 28/07/2016 23:35

Somerville I found your post to lady very moving, sensitive and wise. I wish you every happiness with your new relationship. Flowers

Lunar1 · 31/07/2016 14:03

I hope she's gone now and you have been able to go back home.

happypoobum · 31/07/2016 14:18

You poor thing OP I feel so sorry for you, such a lot to deal with.

I think you have dealt with it very maturely and I understand why you would find it difficult. Similar to a PP, my grandad started an affair with my grandmothers best friend when she was dying of cancer, and married her about 5 months after my grandmother died.

I hope your SD is kind and gives you the space you need. Flowers

AnotherNewPhoneCase · 31/07/2016 22:48

I'm pretty sure he gets sole ownership of the house because he wasn't sure if he did and had to check the paperwork and with the council/solicitors or whoever deals with it to make sure we still had the right to live there as they hadn't long bought the house with the discount which my mum had earned. It's all quite confusing trying to explain. Thank you everyone you've all been so lovely and kind (not that I didn't think you would be) and have given me some fabulous advice xxx

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AnotherNewPhoneCase · 31/07/2016 22:49

Un mumsnetty kisses because each and every one of you deserve them for your kindness and wise words Flowers

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