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..to think my friends could be functioning alcoholics?

96 replies

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 26/07/2016 11:43

A couple. Her mother is an alcoholic. He 42, she is 37. Part of a small social group and they are lovely people, never nasty or inappropriate. But I am more concerned than ever about their drinking and would appreciate advice especially from those who have been there.

We went for a weekend away 18 months ago, organised by them. Mid-afternoon onwards, all three days sat in pubs drinking. Another one organised next month, three of us aren't going because if we go away we want to do things, not just drink. But that's what will happen.

Went to a cider and cheese festival where I might have had three pints over 6 hours. They had loads. Mutual friend who doesn't drink much got a bit maudlin, I got her a cup of tea, female of the pair concerned went and got her another pint. Same friend three weeks ago twice asked for cider shandy when this couple were getting rounds and twice they brought back a pint of cider and it was clearly not a case of being misheard as evidenced by their reaction. Another friend going through bad time, they invited him round to their place and the two blokes got through three bottles of wine and passed out on the sofas. As friend is depressive (I think bipolar) and I have told this couple that drink will not help him, I was not pleased and told them they were actually doing harm not good. Even depressed friend met them at a sausage and ale festival at 5 pm and remarked that they were already pissed having been there since 2 pm.

Suggestion we meet up for a meal tonight to avoid the whole weekend thing and going to a pub. They've said yes but are going straight from work to a pub before meeting us at 7. Three weeks ago, he went out for a quiet pint with two friends and had 5 or 6 pints and the next day he and she drank a lot of wine. By my reckoning they will both generally drink the weekly recommended safe number of units most Friday or Saturday nights, as he will easily drink between 5-8 pints in four hours.

They don't drink every day but at the very least I think this is borderline functioning alcoholism in that it doesn't affect their daily routine or work, but basically it is accepted that most Fridays and Saturdays they will get pissed.

Although I find it boring, I'm more concerned than anything and have suggested to mutual friends we should do more "things" and not just agree with them when they say most weekends "let's go to the pub". We used to do more things, but I'm noticing it's more drink based than before. I've also noticed as a result another friend who didn't used to drink that much is certainly drinking quite a bit more and more often, but not approaching this sort of level.

Both have health problems and weight gain and have decided to join a gym to lose weight. While exercise would help, I think much of their weight and health problems are due to their alcohol intake. Last week they skipped the gym one night to have a BBQ in the nice weather and of course consumed alcohol (no, I didn't go).

Am I being unreasonable in being concerned? I appreciate they may not choose to cut down but am I right to try and get them to do more stuff where they can't drink at weekends, and try to get our other friends to do similar, to minimise any sort of enabling (even if not intended that way)? I feel I need to do something rather than just express concern (which has been done, albeit of the non-lecture kind).

OP posts:
petitpois55 · 27/07/2016 08:53

Mmm, another one where the OP hasn't come back..

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/07/2016 08:57

Petit As I had returned and commented on the thread several times (did you bother to read it - was that patronising enough for you?) I am surprised you are considering me one of "those" posters and I've posted other threads of my own and commented on others lots of times. For your information, I was off finalising my grandmother's funeral for next week (see another of my previous threads) and sorting out some family stuff, so really sorry I didn't come back on thread last night just to address your comments.

Thanks to everyone for their views, which have been really helpful, especially the many of you that sent private messages.

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toptoe · 27/07/2016 09:07

Yes they sound like they're functioning alcoholics. It sounds like it's already affecting their health. Their doctor/s will have asked them about alcohol consumption.

Unfortunately, you will be able to do very little to help them other than talking in a general sense about alcohol and the problems with it. Sounds like at some point they'll start associating with people who are like minded with booze and you'll see less and less of them.

It is their choice and you saying anything directly will just get shut down. You can only sow the seeds of ideas in a more subtle way imo.

petitpois55 · 27/07/2016 09:08

Yes, you returned to add more detail to justify why your friends were alcoholics and you thought they needed help.
Did i miss anything else?

toptoe · 27/07/2016 09:09

Just to add if they're no children involved they are really only harming themselves so intervention doesn't need to happen.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/07/2016 09:10

Petit So why the need for the "Mmm, another one where the OP hasn't come back"? Or are you just a goady fucker?

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petitpois55 · 27/07/2016 09:18

No not a GF Still, just someone who doesn't fall for the faux concern, and who drip feeds in order to justify their position..

MintyChapstick · 27/07/2016 09:24

You so sound like a goady fucker Petit. Are you a heavy drinker yourself by any chance? Can't think of any other reason why you'd take such offence over the OP.

Lottapianos · 27/07/2016 09:26

It's hardly faux concern! Did you actually read the part about one of the couple heading for a kidney transplant?! You've got this one very wrong petit

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/07/2016 09:26

I came here, as my OP said, for advice from people who had been there. I got that, and I have thanked those people. I'm sorry you feel it is faux concern, but I can assure you it isn't. I don't believe I drip fed, more expanded on things I'd mentioned in my OP but was concerned about the length to begin with. I don't believe I have argued my case with those who felt I was being unreasonable and I wouldn't ask if I wasn't prepared to be told I was. Clearly, the thread was quite evenly divided between those who felt their drinking was either not a problem or none of my concern and those who felt their drinking was a problem and while I was right to be concerned there wasn't much I could realistically do.

I could understand people accusing me of being judgey or faux concern if I was a teetotaller, but I pointed out that this was not the case. Please carry on thinking what you wish of me.

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petitpois55 · 27/07/2016 09:29

No Minty not a heavy drinker at all. Probably below the recommended units every week,- even in the school holsSmile
Yeah the kidney transplant bit. sorry, but i'm not convinced..
I tend not to believe everything i read on the internet at all times.

MintyChapstick · 27/07/2016 09:30

OP, I think what you've done is hit a raw nerve amongst certain people who know deep down that they drink far too much but are in complete denial.
Speaking as someone who has close family member like this, I know what I'm talking about, drink is the elephant in the room very often.

petitpois55 · 27/07/2016 09:31

The thing is, if you had a close friend who was so seriously ill that they may need a kidney transplant, would you post about it on an open forum?
I sure as hell wouldn't.

MintyChapstick · 27/07/2016 09:34

Well then why are you goading the OP? And you are goading her, how is worrying about people you care about who are obviously drinking way too much 'faux concern'? They are setting themselves up for a lifetime of health problems. Not only that but they are trying to entice others around them to do drink more, probably because it makes them feel better about themselves because they know deep down they've got a problem.

And in case you haven't noticed she has been back several times to respond to threads, so why all this 'hmmmming' makes you sound really bloody patronising actually.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/07/2016 09:37

Christ. First time in three years I've ever been accused on MN of making stuff up. Sad day. I know AIBU can be tough, and I'm happy to accept being unreasonable when told but these days you can't post for being accused of making stuff up when you're genuinely asking for help from people who may know more about something than you do.

I didn't specify the nature of the health issues right up front because I thought that might be a bit too identifying with some of the other info and it was perhaps a mistake to clarify it later - only really as a result of one or two posters seemingly being dismissive of heavy drinking causing serious health concerns, which I stated right up front were why I was asking. It was never about me thinking I should fuck off and leave them to it but whether by trying to steer our group away from the pub a bit more could be helpful.

No point engaging further.

Again, thank you to everyone for advice and thoughts, especially the sometimes quite lengthy and supportive PMs from people who have had their own battles with alcohol or been there for others with drinking problems. You've given me much to think about.

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petitpois55 · 27/07/2016 09:37

Right, you'll be glad to know i'm out of this discussion now. Disagreeing or questioning the motives of the OP does not equal being goadywhatever that actually means.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 27/07/2016 09:40

Minty Thanks, it's OK. I do find it ironic that petit's first posting accused me of being patronising!

OK, off now, as I shouldn't be letting it turn into a bunfight or about defending myself, that wasn't what it was about.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 27/07/2016 10:02

Hi StillDrSeth, you don't have to leave your thread. There are a lot of posters who understand where you're coming from and how this is worrying for you.

There is a massive binge drinking culture in the UK and it's prevalent on MN too. Very defensive posting when there's nothing provocative being said. We used to go to beer and sausage festivals in Germany and, apart from the British, very few would be getting legless because it was about the sausage and the music in equal measure. Not a competition to see how many beers somebody could drink until they were incoherent. I have Germany family and they say this is common. Anywhere you go where there is alcohol, there are British people drinking it to the point of drunkenness. It's acceptable in the UK (apparently) but it isn't elsewhere because it just doesn't happen as there isn't this mindset of drinking to blotto point.

As per, some have leapt on the word 'functioning' in 'functioning alcoholic' as if it's some kind of talisman. It just means that such a tolerance to alcohol has been built up that even excessive (units per week) drinking, has little effect. It's not a 'badge' that means they are actually functioning well.

I'm teetotal and would have loved a cup of tea with my sausage. When I'm with German family they don't bat an eyelid. It's telling that a poster here says they would be 'irritated'.

I don't know what you can do really, StillDrSeth, their lifestyle is different to yours. You can tell them that you're concerned about their drinking but, as other posters have said, if they don't accept there is a problem they will disregard your concern. Be prepared for them to drop you from their friendship as you will have pointed out to them what they already know but don't want to acknowledge. All you can do is offer help and support when they need it and ask for it - and let them know that you care about them.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 27/07/2016 10:04

petitpois, you are a goady fucker. OP has posted here for years. Stop troll hunting.

TheWindInThePillows · 27/07/2016 10:18

This is their lifestyle, it may not be a healthy one and it may not be one you enjoy, but this type of drinking is what millions of people in the UK do do, and do enjoy. I don't any more so I don't go to this type of festival or have evenings out that are all about drinking- but I think there's often a shift in people's thirties where they move from a kind of young people's getting slaughtered every weekend to a more sedate type of a drinking, perhaps with a meal and so forth. Some people never shift. Sounds like you just don't fit with their vibe any more.

I don't think there's any reason here though to say anything to them or be overly invested in their choices, they have good knowledge about the need to limit drinking (anyone with a kidney consultant will have been told) and they are not stupid. It's their choice, let them get on with it.

I would say 90% of the people I know drank like this til they settled down/had children. I also have a lot of friends who have cut down now, backed off their drinking of their own accord, realising it was too much, too often, too persistently. I was far more worried about a friend who drank half to a bottle of wine a night as a way of coping with a trauma than I was about the ones out partying on the weekend, but not drinking in between- I guess I felt she was very dependent.

People tend not to take well to others commenting on their lifestyle choices, even if they mean well. I would let them get on with it, and catch up with them mid-week for a meal, if you don't like their booze-fueled weekends.

LoreleiGilmoreIsMyBFF · 27/07/2016 10:23

OP, when I first recognised that I was seriously addicted to alcohol, many, many 'friends' insisted that I was fine, being silly, just liked to party, etc, etc. Those same 'friends' dropped off the radar as soon as I became sober. I think you sound like a wonderful & caring friend. All you can do now is continue as you are. The fact that we are talking about not an individual, but a couple, means that they are likely to be reinforcing one another's drinking habits. I have learned over the years that any discussion about heavy drinking versus alcoholism is likely to produce a certain amount of defensiveness in some people....

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