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..to think my friends could be functioning alcoholics?

96 replies

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 26/07/2016 11:43

A couple. Her mother is an alcoholic. He 42, she is 37. Part of a small social group and they are lovely people, never nasty or inappropriate. But I am more concerned than ever about their drinking and would appreciate advice especially from those who have been there.

We went for a weekend away 18 months ago, organised by them. Mid-afternoon onwards, all three days sat in pubs drinking. Another one organised next month, three of us aren't going because if we go away we want to do things, not just drink. But that's what will happen.

Went to a cider and cheese festival where I might have had three pints over 6 hours. They had loads. Mutual friend who doesn't drink much got a bit maudlin, I got her a cup of tea, female of the pair concerned went and got her another pint. Same friend three weeks ago twice asked for cider shandy when this couple were getting rounds and twice they brought back a pint of cider and it was clearly not a case of being misheard as evidenced by their reaction. Another friend going through bad time, they invited him round to their place and the two blokes got through three bottles of wine and passed out on the sofas. As friend is depressive (I think bipolar) and I have told this couple that drink will not help him, I was not pleased and told them they were actually doing harm not good. Even depressed friend met them at a sausage and ale festival at 5 pm and remarked that they were already pissed having been there since 2 pm.

Suggestion we meet up for a meal tonight to avoid the whole weekend thing and going to a pub. They've said yes but are going straight from work to a pub before meeting us at 7. Three weeks ago, he went out for a quiet pint with two friends and had 5 or 6 pints and the next day he and she drank a lot of wine. By my reckoning they will both generally drink the weekly recommended safe number of units most Friday or Saturday nights, as he will easily drink between 5-8 pints in four hours.

They don't drink every day but at the very least I think this is borderline functioning alcoholism in that it doesn't affect their daily routine or work, but basically it is accepted that most Fridays and Saturdays they will get pissed.

Although I find it boring, I'm more concerned than anything and have suggested to mutual friends we should do more "things" and not just agree with them when they say most weekends "let's go to the pub". We used to do more things, but I'm noticing it's more drink based than before. I've also noticed as a result another friend who didn't used to drink that much is certainly drinking quite a bit more and more often, but not approaching this sort of level.

Both have health problems and weight gain and have decided to join a gym to lose weight. While exercise would help, I think much of their weight and health problems are due to their alcohol intake. Last week they skipped the gym one night to have a BBQ in the nice weather and of course consumed alcohol (no, I didn't go).

Am I being unreasonable in being concerned? I appreciate they may not choose to cut down but am I right to try and get them to do more stuff where they can't drink at weekends, and try to get our other friends to do similar, to minimise any sort of enabling (even if not intended that way)? I feel I need to do something rather than just express concern (which has been done, albeit of the non-lecture kind).

OP posts:
TaraCarter · 26/07/2016 14:00

It sounds like they have definite issues with alcohol, even if they are very nice drunks after they've got going.

Unfortunately, I can't envisage any way you could help. It's trite, but they'd have to want help. I think the best you can do is push to meet in places that aren't a pub.

BastardGoDarkly · 26/07/2016 14:02

Doesn't sound to me like they want helping? They are probably perfectly happy.

Even with health issues, it's their choice to make.

Just as it's yours to spend time with them or not.

LikeIGiveAFrock · 26/07/2016 14:04

A sausage and ale festival I can understand but a cider and cheese festival , do the two really go together ?

diddl · 26/07/2016 14:15

" a cider and cheese festival , do the two really go together ?"

Not sure, but I'd like the chance to find out!

Stormtreader · 26/07/2016 14:46

Yes indeed, traditional West Country fare, both of them :) I wouldnt be surprised if chutneys and pickles were also present somewhere :D

TaraCarter · 26/07/2016 14:50

< Elsewhere on the internet, organisers of cider and cheese festivals experience an sudden surge in ticket sales >

StealthPolarBear · 26/07/2016 14:51

Cheese more dangerous than alcohol????

TaraCarter · 26/07/2016 14:57

I thought that poster was either a GF or delusional, Stealth, so didn't engage. Which has some comic value, considering that I don't consume dairy at all.Grin

paxillin · 26/07/2016 14:58

They sound like fun!

Skipping gym for a BBQ in the heat sound totally sensible.

KingLooieCatz · 26/07/2016 15:25

My name is KingLooie and I'm a cheese-aholic.

Britain's town centres are awash on a Saturday night with youngsters out of their minds on the cheapest red Leicester they can get their hands on. Paramedics struggle to respond to the number of calls about cheese-fevered youths. Irresponsible deli-owners lure them in with cheap deals. Who hasn't called in sick at work and stayed home nursing a cheese-over from Hell after a bender?

It catches up with you in the end. Some people have to hit Roquefort bottom first though.

DeathStare · 26/07/2016 15:43

The only people who can know whether they are alcoholics is themselves. It could be that they need to drink. It could be that they just enjoy that lifestyle and a social life based around alcohol.

Yes they are drinking more than safe limits but I suspect they are aware of this. It's nice that you care about them and are concerned but they are grown adults and if they want to take informed risks so be it. If you had a friend who ate crap food or did too little exercise or who smoked would you feel the same need to get involved? I suspect not.

Their behaviour when drunk doesn't sound to be dangerous or disruptive and with the exception of getting a cider instead of a shandy they don't sound to be forcing other people to drink against their will. So personally I think you need to leave them to it and let them take whatever risks with their health that they deem acceptable.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 26/07/2016 15:45

KingLooie
Its really sad
They start off with a bit of dairylea as children
Move on to the foreign stuff like brie and jarlsberg
And before you know it they are lying in the gutter licking the orange plasticy goo off a discarded McDonald's cheeseburger.

whatamockerywemake · 26/07/2016 16:16

phew it's not me.

StealthPolarBear · 26/07/2016 16:41

I can't buy the big bags of baby bel any more. I wake up the next morning with red wax balls littering the kitchen and the fear of what I might have said while stuffing one in my mouth.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 26/07/2016 16:55

I have several friends who I believe to be alcoholics. I know quite a lot about alcoholism. It is like watching a very slow car crash and I know there is nothing I can do. It sounds as though your friends might have a problem. Are they very close to you op? You seem to know every detail of their lives and their consumption! You could just say something once so that you feel you have done something (and then leave it) but don't expect them to change a jot.

FlyingElbows · 26/07/2016 17:41

It doesn't matter if you consume alcohol at a nice middle class food festival or in a bus stop your liver corrodes in exactly the same way. My mother was a functioning alcoholic. All very acceptable and professional middle class. Even after she'd set herself alight, been taken to intensive care by an ambulance crew and I was left to clear the vomit off the floor and the detritus left from the emergency care her nice middle class friends didn't see it was a problem. Kitchen full of empty wine bottles, christ knows how much she was actually sinking every day, and it was fine because it was nice middle class wine and she was a nice middle class woman. We had exactly the same with social events. Everything had to include alcohol or she'd try and steer us towards alcohol so she wasn't drinking on her own. Op there's nothing you can do. Just decide what you want for yourself and stop going to alcohol fuelled events if it makes you uncomfortable. Leave them to it, they'll have lots of equally blinkered company.

petitpois55 · 26/07/2016 17:56

I think you sound really patronising OP. You want to help your friends! Really? Have they asked for your help?

You seem to be very over invested in their lives, and how on earth do you know how much they drink?

It's really none of your business? They are grown ups. They are allowed to drink as much as they like. Even with health problems, they are actively choosing to drink more than is good for them, so why on earth do you think it's your job to tell them otherwise.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 26/07/2016 19:41

Erm, because she cares about them petitpois? Maybe?

Lottapianos · 26/07/2016 20:12

What on earth is 'patronising' about being concerned for your friends' health? Are you one of these too cool for school posters who floats through life in a fog of 'none of my business' and never forms an opinion about anything ever? Except to berate posters who show concern for others of course. OP hasn't gone haranguing her friends, she has asked for advice on here about the situation, and is quite right to be concerned according to many of us

petitpois55 · 26/07/2016 21:34

Mmm, if she cared about them i'm not sure she would be coming on a public forum giving details like she has. Surely she would discuss it in real like with people whom she knows and trusts, not randoms off the internet.

I also think there's a real element of moral superiority about the OP's post.
It's almost like she wants them to feel ashamed of their drinking, but she's mightily pissed off that they don't.

Lottapianos · 26/07/2016 21:56

If she had discussed it with friends, no doubt you would be having a go at her for 'judging' people behind their backs. Sometimes it's useful to get objective advice from strangers rather than people who are already involved in the situation.

Pettywoman · 26/07/2016 22:16

Petit, surely she's on here for advice before wading in accusing them of borderline alcoholism or gossiping behind their back to people who actually know them. Isn't that what AIBU is for? You know, to ask if you're being unreasonable.

TaraCarter · 26/07/2016 22:25

Petit, we may be living on different planets. Could you just check the colour of the sky and the number of moons?

Because, really, that's the only explanation that justifies claiming that the OP should talk to, i.e. gossip with her other friends about whether this couple have alcohol problems if she really cared.

Good grief. Imagine how that would go down when (not if) they got to hear of it.

Chopstick17 · 26/07/2016 22:27

I know what you mean OP, I know a few people who drink like this. I find it quite shocking as I can't drink that amount and don't want to. But they are adults and make their own choices. There is so much information now that they can't claim to not know how their health can be affected.Unless they ask your opinion or for advice I suggest you steer clear. Maybe you just need to avoid those situations or go out with other fiends if it bothers you that much.

19lottie82 · 26/07/2016 23:01

Cider shandy??????? I spent 14 years working as a bar maid and have never in my entire life heard of this!!!!!!