to be glad that the Guardian is making enormous losses

[longfingernails]

www.pressgazette.co.uk/guardian-losses-reported-to-have-escalated-by-a-further-10m-to-68-7m-for-the-last-financial-year/

Great stuff. Their chatterati condescension, Islington moral vacuum and politically correct echo chamber has been a malignant blot upon our society for decades.

Let it wither upon the Viner.

quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damm.

As a previous poster pointed out with their personal experiences this is much more about the ineffectual services that are supposed to safe guard these children.

In almost all of the cases you've highlighted the same thing goes on, vulnerable young women's complaints are ignored and they are seen as making a lifestyle choice by the services, this is then called upon by others, and because of the race of the perpetrators the race card is pulled of "we didn't want to appear racist" so very little was done.

As has been previously pointed out there IS a factor to do with cutlure hear but it is not the ONLY factor, which is the point made by the guardian and the one I have defended. Others have made it only about the one factor when it is clear, as I have repeatedly said when you open out away from one case the repeated routine seems to be in all of the cases, not just the ones involving Asian men, that the social services have fundamentally let down vulnerable young women and have done for decades.

I sound naive? Yeah totally, maybe I'm just not willing to accept one blanket excuse for this absolutely abhorrent dereliction of duty by the very people who are paid to protect our children.

I think you will find they have let down all sort of people over the years. In these specific cases, all over the UK it was Men Of Pakistani Heritage, everyone else I have ever heard discuss this case, everywhere has accepted this bar you and the Guardian. It has also never been presented as a blanket excuse at all.

It was given as an excuse, have you read the reports? People said that they didn't want to investigate or push things further because they were afraid of being accused of being racist, actually that was their second excuse the first one was to just dismiss the girls or blame them for it.

As I said I find the "worried about being racist" card especially hard to swallow from the police as they have no qualms in arresting Asian men for other crimes, so why when it came to CSE cases was it different?

I've never said there wasn't a racial issue here and the Guardian definitely discusses that it was Asian men who were the perpetrators there clearly is a pattern of behaviour, but REPEATEDLY I've said that it is more complex because it fits the another pattern hat is easy to identify across decades of CSE cases!

People seem to think that excuses were made and given, there weren't.

I actually read the Guardian and the Daily Mail. Feel it balances out my worldview sources with an equal amount of political bias from both ends.

Although to be honest I much prefer the Daily Mail. A lot on here seem to accuse it off been a bastion of racism and xenophobia but I read it daily and don't see it. Yes it has controlled migration agenda but if you haven't noticed in the past couple of years so does most of the country especially the working classes.

There's a lot of hatred for the Bob Geldof esque 'sneers'. A bunch of guilty celebrities, middle class, middle aged mums and students who have just discovered themselves in whatever batshit far left ideology they have chosen and die hard working class few who still believe that Labour is party of the poor and can't get over the miners strike. People who believe that all the world problems would be solved with open borders, uncontrolled spending etc if only those damn thick chavs cared about my migrant nanny instead of been brainwashed by that nasty Mr Murdock.

Truth is the country and especially the working classes have jumped centre right. You can pretend it's all media manipulation but that's a bit of a condescending and insulting view of the countries poorer citizens, they are no more brainwashed by the Sun than you are by the Guardian. People just aren't that intrested in left wing identity politics that are so keen on dismissing them as bigots and xenopobes anymore.

If you don't see the anti immigration agenda in the Mail you got to be blind. It certainly isn't about "controlled" migration either.

"Truth is the country and especially the working classes have jumped centre right."

Funny that, they seem to vote Labour in the general election last year, I wouldn't base the outcome of the referendum vote as a jump to the centre right.

What I wil base it on is that immigration has been blamed by both the right wing media and the right wing for all of the ills of society, that and some kind of misguided hope that things would get better if we "take back control" as in many of the deindustrialised areas people feel that they have none. Fact is that they won't get what they think they were voting for. In Sunderland many people talked about immigration as being an issue, in a city where 5% of the population can be classed as not white British that is fucking hysterical, where do you think people have got the idea that immigrants are using up the public services and taking the jobs? It doesn't just pop in there, its been fed to them drip style for years.

The working classes have been sold a pup by a far more libertarian group of people who, like Trump fashioned an elites narrative that they bought into, sadly anyone voing because they thought they were kicking out and elite is like the proverbial turkey voting for Christmas.

I like how you keep talking about the "identity politics" of the Guardian, and that you then bring in "uncontrolled spending" and "open borders" when none of that is actually suggested. Hyperbole and rhetoric in good use there.

The Guardian quite rightly has opposed Austerity, as it is firmly focused on those at the bottom rather than at the top and been far more detrimental to the economy that the myth peddled by the right that a Nation's finances are like that of a household.
just l
If the Guardian has been guilty of all the things aimed at it, then the Mail certainly has been of xenophobia, just look at some of the headlines over the past year, look at what Katie Hopkins writes, look at Jan Moir on Steven Gately, if I could be arsed I'd find nasty bigoted stuff and post loads of links to it.

I agree with Billsykes re Rotherham. Rotherham was also a turning point for me. It just left me sickened and I would never support the Guardian because of it. The thing I remember so clearly is that this was happening around the time of the celebrity nude leak. I remember pretty much ALL of the female and feminist writers at the Guardian writing article after article about how the naked pictures of Jennifer Lawrence would lead to rape culture. Not just the US writers, the UK ones, ALL OF THEM. They wrote reams of articles about it and tweeted about it, talked about it. It filled up the entire feminist blogosphere.

There were basically ZERO articles written about Rotherham. None of the feminist writers gave a shit. It got a factual couple of news pieces after the fact. NONE of the female writers wrote any op-eds except one to insist that people not become racist. Where were all the handwringing articles from the feminist writers about it? This WAS rape culture. Not pictures, rape. It was young girls being raped. There was complete silence. Except when the EDL decided to march in Rotherham and then suddenly there was an anti-racist march organized. People just didn't give a shit.

Do you know how many fucking tweets and conversations and posts there were about Jennifer Lawrence? I was reading online but at the time I was living in the US and I was used to hearing the US feminist blogosphere pick up UK stories on rape culture. No left wing sites picked the Rotherham story. There was ONE story on jezebel and that was it. In the US, right wing sites picked it up but left wing ones just ignored it. No one was tweeting about it, no one was hashtagging or any of the normal stuff. It was basically ignored by the entire New Left.

If only those girls has been smart enough to be trans or fat activists or something, then they would have gotten all the support from the Guardian they deserved. I will never forget that. At least the DM is upfront about seeing people as worthless.

There were loads of articles about Rotherham.

Selectivity isn't fact.

small

Don't bother to reply if you're not even going to bother to read. I said clearly that there were NEWS REPORTS about it. What was missing was the normal groundswell of editorial content. The feminist writers retweeting it, discussing it, writing thinkpieces about it in the women section etc. Like when Ched Evans was convicted (50 bazillion thinkpieces).

www.theguardian.com/uk/rotherham?page=4

There was lots of that, look at the comment pieces on those pages, I'll link to a few:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/28/rotherham-abuse-class-sex-racial-bigotry

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/guardian-view-rotherham-child-abuse-scandal

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/poor-children-seen-as-worthless-rotherham-abuse-scandal

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/race-rotherham-abuse-scandal-pakistani-community

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/29/rotherham-abuse-political-correctness-ludicrous

www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2014/aug/28/rotherham-child-victims-sexual-abuse

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/28/rotherham-abuse-report-shaun-wright-sins-omission

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/31/observer-editorial-child-sex-abuse-rotherham

Just a selection of the comment pieces written, by no means all.

Hilarious, can you even read?

The link you showed just proved my point completely!

Most of the links are in factual news. The thinkpieces are ALL about the post Rotherham racism!

• Blaming the Rotherham abuse on a fear of being branded a racist is ludicrous
• The reaction to Rotherham is a typical British blame game
• The Rotherham blame game distracts us from supporting victims of sexual abuse
• The one story written from the perspective of a victim is NOT from a victim of Rotherham but is instead a victim who is a racial minority to make a point about racism.

I don't even think the Rotherham abuse WAS about racism. But the coverage made it clear that they were more concerned about racism claims than the actual abuse. All the articles, all the coverage were defensive stories about racism! Where is the concern about the VICTIMS? Where is the discussion with the families.

It's scary that you thought this DISPROVED my point.

And where is the tweetstorm? Where are the hashtags? Where is the social media groundswell like for the celebrity nude leak?

Since you are so good with google...

Um you said there were zero articles regardinng Rotherham

Did you actually read the articles? Did you notice that they are "comment is free" and therefore comment pieces and not "news"

The articles asking about the victims? They are the centre piece of almost all of the ones linked. Its even in the title of several of the articles you claim prove your point

And you question my literacy skills, fucking hilarious!

Small Things you do realise that certain articles cant be written pre trial so as not to prejudice a trial/cause a mistrial/ have the perpertrators claim they cant get a fair trial.

I will miss the Guardian if they go for articles like this. Looks like the wait for UC has increased to three months.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/28/universal-credit-payments-delays-loans

Despite the ongoing awesomeness and the complete coverage of Rotherham and Cologne and the excellent 'feminism' of Owen Jones... so many former readers of the Guardian have been brain-washed into thinking they aren't doing a good job of reporting news about women and women's issues.

It's odd how that's happened. Like mass hallucinations or something. Because clearly there is nothing wrong with them at all. Since the Guardian are doing the stellar job they always did, how did we come to this conclusion? Stupidity? Brain-washing? Right wing infiltration?

Well MrsT did you look at the Rotherham coverage? It certainly wasn't none etc.

The Cologne issue I have said repeatedly the Police didn't make a statement regarding the attacks till the 5th of Jan, the press release they sent out on the 1st said that NYE had been peaceful.

Funny how the facts are getting in the way of a lot of these ex Guardian readers claims.

Funny too how you talk about women's rights yet don't notice the Vagenda journalists writing for the Guardian, or it leading the campaign against FGM, or it having columns by everyday sexism founder Laura Bates, or Jack Monroe, Jessica Valenti, Dawn Foster and more.

Funny that eh?

The graun do have these writers. They lead laudable campaigns like the anti fgm one.

The point I and others are trying to make is this feminism isn't selective .

If you're a feminist you support women across the spectrum. Not when it's just one group of women being abused. Where they fell down immensely is when tgey felt they had to make a choice between being feminist and potentially appearing racist

This is the issue. They see it as 'who's most oppressed' and it's like there's a scale. With women at the bottom. It's no good shouting your feminist credentials in your op ed column if you suddenly get squeamish about offending the 'community' when the perps are predominantly ethnic minority.
this is what's offensive yeah we're right on! Feminist! Anti fgm! But oh... Now this could possibly be seen as being islamophobic so I'm not going to ask the hard questions... Here's my op ed with a million squirming get outs so I can virtue signal and prove I'm not racist..,

Exactly the same thing happens with the issues raised about female safety and transwomen. The right on issue is championed to the rafters, but the uncomfortable questions aren't asked (if transwomen have the same rates of violent sexual offending against women, why are we allowing them in our spaces?)

These writers are cowards. They are caving to the modern disease of not wanting to offend. And women get thrown under the bus every time.

No one, no one has said Rotherham was purely about race. Or that children's services weren't utterly dire. But the graun tied themselves in knots to point out how non racist they were, at the expense of reporting correctly or building the mass of outraged op ed stuff. When the left wing press does that, the right wing press steps into the gap. And then they shape public opinion.

exactly fomalfat. One of the reasons that we are seeing the rise of the Right is that the Left, epitomised by the Guardian, doesn't address these issues.

Utter drivel, from start to finish.

I'm done with this, all of these arguments are just empty fucking rhetoric, is just like the brexit discussions all over again, things just get repeated, go take a look at the links, there is plenty of stuff there which is critical and doesn't shirk from it.

The right wing media steps in? The right wing media? The DM and its side bar of fucking shame? The Times? The Telegraph?

Post truth rubbish.

Just one question small, have you read the Jay report?

Seriously,

"But the graun tied themselves in knots to point out how non racist they were, at the expense of reporting correctly or building the mass of outraged op ed stuff."

Go read the links, go have a look at it rather than just repeating what you "think" the Graun reported correctly and had lots of pieces that were "outraged".

I have read the Jay and Casey reports.

I think some people are so used to reading so-called news articles which blatantly blame someone for something that they no longer recognise objective reporting of nuanced events when they see it.

A lot on here seem to accuse it off been a bastion of racism and xenophobia but I read it daily and don't see it.

Because this isn't racist or xenophobic? The Daily Mail has that reputation for a reason!

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daily-mail-nazi-refugee-rat-cartoon_us_564b526ee4b06037734ae115