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to ask EU citizens living in the UK (who do not have a British passport) how they feel about the UK post Brexit and whether they plan to stay in the UK if allowed?

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evilcherub · 22/07/2016 18:06

Speaking to friends who do not have British passports a few have told me they feel uncomfortable here now, like they are seen as "other".

So, if the Government announces with certainty that EU citizens who have been living here and fulfilled the requirements to stay here will be allowed to stay, will you want to stay?

Do you feel differently about the UK since Brexit and do you feel unwelcome in the UK now?

OP posts:
geekaMaxima · 23/07/2016 09:19

I'm disappointed, gut punch to the stomach. I actually felt sick for a few days after the result came through.

Whereas before I fitted in fairly well - not British, obviously, but occupying what seemed to be a well-accepted niche in British society - that's all gone. Now, I'm unwelcome, other, and accepted only grudgingly (if at all) because I'm the alright type of immigrant who is highly educated, tax-paying, and white.

Now, I feel angry and disgusted at the shitty, small-minded, bigoted opinions that people feel free to air in public in a way that would not have been acceptable even a few months ago. In also quite sorry for my Remain-voting British friends who are flabbergasted at what has happened to their country.

But mostly, I'm now thinking "fuck you" and DH and I are actively seeking to leave the UK for somewhere else in Europe. I'll be sorry to leave the lovely place where I live, my friends here, and my good job with nice colleagues. But you know, I can get all of that elsewhere in Europe, with the added bonus of staying in the EU, living in a culture where xenophobia isn't quite so rampant, and having family nearby again.

FarAwayHills · 23/07/2016 09:20

I am Irish and have lived here for 16 years- my DH and 2 DCs are British. I have never felt more like a foreigner or outsider since the referendum. I'm wary of discussing the issue with friends and family because more people are openly xenophobic than before and I'm finding its changed my opinion of those people that I thought were reasonable and nice.

I'm sickened and worried by conversations I've heard about rounding 'them' up and sending them back home. Its like Donald Trumps rhetoric starting to creep in on this side of the Atlantic- except EU citizens are the Latinos.

I'm hurt that some of DHs family voted leave because of immigration while dismissing any concerns I had about my right to remain here as 'daft'.

I'm so angry that the party politics behind all of this is causing so much anxiety and uncertainty for so many people. I'm angry that the government who called the referendum, failed to plan for a leave outcome and more specifically failed to spell out what the futures of EU citizens here and UK citizens in the EU would be.

I'm not sure what the future holds. If my kids weren't at crucial points in their education- I'd be packing my bags right now. Confused

mortgagefreesoon5 · 23/07/2016 09:25

Oh! and to answer the OP question, yes we ll stay here, my FIL is in his 80s, we don't want to move away from him

WidowWadman · 23/07/2016 09:30

I'm an EU immigrant with dual nationality. This country is home and I took citizenship mostly to ensure I can stay when a referendum became likely. I still feel hurt, angry vulnerable and rejected. It's less a question of whether I'd stay in the place I made my home so many years ago, but the realisation that if the current political climate would have been then as it is now I don't know if I had dared making that step which turned out to be the best decision in my life.

Headofthehive55 · 23/07/2016 09:41

What you are seeing is a country that has become overcrowded in certain parts. Not surprisingly people want to stop the overcrowding. It's a tiny island.

esornep · 23/07/2016 09:57

What you are seeing is a country that has become overcrowded in certain parts.

When we leave the EU, we will still have a growing population (due to people living longer) and a growing number of households (due to couples splitting up). Giving the increasing number of pensioners, we also need to increase the number of people working to support them (which requires immigration).

We have had control of non-EU immigration and have restricted it to highly skilled workers only - that was still close to 200,000 last year as we have an economy based on high skills and growth in that economy needs us to hire the best specialist workers from all over the world. We're going to have to hire lots of trade negotiators, for example!

So even after we leave the EU we will still have to solve the housing and "over-crowding" issues.

BTW even in the SE the population density is not as high as places such as Amsterdam, The Hague etc. In the UK we are very unusual in that most of the housing we build is only two storeys high. We could get more housing per hectare if we would simply build higher storey housing.

esornep · 23/07/2016 09:59

It's also pretty hard to argue that most of the North and Scotland are overcrowded.

Successive governments could have been much more pro-active in moving more jobs and service industries out of the SE but didn't make serious effort to do so.

TheMD · 23/07/2016 10:09

An EU migrant here- moved to UK for higher education, just after completing my A-levels so have spent all of my adult life here. My whole life is here. Like others have said, I felt like I woke up in a different country on the day the referendum result and feel rejected, unwelcome and sad. I was planning on applying for a British citizenship this year but I'm not sure I want to be a citizen of a country that the UK has become in the last month or so:(

minsmum · 23/07/2016 10:24

I have dual nationality and my dh is British we are actively looking to move abroad now. I don't want to live here anymore as this isn't the country that I thought it was

Patapouf · 23/07/2016 10:40

DH and I will be off as soon as we can. I've got a masters to complete and then we'll probably move back to France. I really hate this country at the moment. We were planning on having children soon but that's been put on the back burner now.

Patapouf · 23/07/2016 10:42

its a tiny island ODFO

DailyFailAteMyFish · 23/07/2016 11:03

Actually the UK is several tiny islands, but don't facts stop you.

DailyFailAteMyFish · 23/07/2016 11:03

*don't let facts stop you.

EllyMayClampett · 23/07/2016 11:04

I am a naturalised British Citizen. I live in the "home counties" with my English DH and British born dc. I was surprised by the election results. I thought most people would be cautious and vote for the status quo. I am worried about the volatility and our economic prospects.

But, I don't feel unwelcomed here. In my neighbourhood, everything at a local, social level is going on as normal. Most of my friends are British. I have noticed no change of attitude towards me at all. I feel no differently about them. My European friends feel sad, but again our friendships are unchanged.

I realise that there are people who will have voted out of frustration with the rate of immigration, but I am able to keep that in perspective and appreciate that in my real life interactions everyone is warm, kind, and welcoming as ever. When I consider why some people may have been fearful and frustrated and voted Leave, I try to consider their point of view: small island nation feeling overwhelmed by the rapid pace of change and large number of newcomers changing the old folk-ways. Then I feel compassion for them, rather than affronted. I am middle aged and have lived in many countries and cultures before settling here. It is truly the most open, least racist place that I have ever lived. So, for me, I expect things to turn out alright in the end.

However, I completely understand people wanting to return "home," if they feel like things are irreversibly changed for them emotionally. I just think the impulse to want to go is hard to fulfil. Once you have put down roots: bought a property, built a career, DC in school, etc. It can be very difficult and costly to go. You can do it, but it takes a big push and some sacrifice. I wonder if they will have any stats after a year or so, showing how many EU citizens have actually left.

mortgagefreesoon5 · 23/07/2016 11:33

Heado, many people has voted leave not due to overcrowding but because of xenophobic reasons.
EU immigrants are an asset.

The UK will still need to fill some jobs up ( which in
cases cant/ won't be filled up by British) in hospitals, factories, haulage, IT etc so the economy can grow.

Headofthehive55 · 23/07/2016 12:43

elly yes that's what I was doing, looking at why people might have felt they wanted to vote leave. For the record I was a remainer , so I don't need vitriol. But I do understand those thoughts. No it won't stop the population growing but I understand why people felt it had grown too fast. People felt alienated and unhappy. I can understand those feelings. I worked in a place in the south where I was the only native English speaker on duty in my area quite often. As I couldn't converse with my colleagues very well, I did feel isolated and to be honest stopped enjoying work as the social side wasn't there. I left. Yet initially I felt ooh exciting to work with lots if people from other countries, in reality it wasn't fun at all.

So i do understand the feelings - and I think we need to recognise them.

Headofthehive55 · 23/07/2016 12:49

i don't want to live in a place as densely populated as Amsterdam. I doubt many people do.

Nataleejah · 23/07/2016 13:06

I will be a massive hypocrite here. I am the dreaded Eastern European. I assume I am allright. And a lot of others are allright. However, a great load of unsavoury characters came in as well. I am often ashamed to tell people that i'm from the same place. And i sort of understand the feelings of brexiters, who just feel that 'enough is enough'

esornep · 23/07/2016 13:15

i don't want to live in a place as densely populated as Amsterdam. I doubt many people do.

But climate change is going to reduce the amount of land that can be used to live in over the coming decades.

It's unrealistic to think that we can carry on building tiny little two storey houses with individual plots of garden in and around our biggest cities. It's also unrealistic to think that we can carry on living on such a tiny fraction of land, preserving vast areas of countryside.

Headofthehive55 · 23/07/2016 13:21

But allowing unlimited immigration pushes that point earlier.

Henrysmycat · 23/07/2016 14:11

Unlimited immigration? Have you got any proof of that except the rhetorics of certain people?

Headofthehive55 · 23/07/2016 14:29

If more people come in than leave, you are likely to have a greater population to house.

It appears that this has been the case.

Hoppinggreen · 23/07/2016 14:47

DH came here from Germany when he was 9. If you met him you wouldn't know he wasn't English.
Even he has been looking into his rights for all of us to move to Germany. I don't speak much German and the Dc don't at all and I really don't want to go and we probably won't but he has said that for the first time he feels like he doesn't want to be here any more

happyandsingle · 23/07/2016 14:49

But how do you think we could of carried on with masses of uncontrolled immigration.
This is not to be goady but a genuine question. I live in the southeast with a high population of immigrants and although some are happy to adapt and embrace British culture there are many that are very closed of-refuse to learn or speak English and will only mix in their own communities. people have got there rose tinted specs on if they ever thought everyone just mixed along fine. if people feel that un welcome here maybe they are best to leave but there is no guarantee they will feel any more welcome in the new country they choose to reside in
I have travelled to many eu and non eu places and have found England to be a lot more tolerant and welcoming than most of these places. in some of these countries you would be openly ridiculed for wearing cultural dress/certain hairstyle and im talking about eu countries here.
Trust me the UK is one of the more tolerant countries out there.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/07/2016 14:52

I voted remain and understand how some feel.

I do know of some people however that as British expats, were recently refused service in a restaurant in an EU country because they are British.

The rippling effect if this is being seen in many places