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to ask EU citizens living in the UK (who do not have a British passport) how they feel about the UK post Brexit and whether they plan to stay in the UK if allowed?

120 replies

evilcherub · 22/07/2016 18:06

Speaking to friends who do not have British passports a few have told me they feel uncomfortable here now, like they are seen as "other".

So, if the Government announces with certainty that EU citizens who have been living here and fulfilled the requirements to stay here will be allowed to stay, will you want to stay?

Do you feel differently about the UK since Brexit and do you feel unwelcome in the UK now?

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evilcherub · 22/07/2016 23:24

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gabsdot · 22/07/2016 23:40

My American SIL who is married to my Irish brother said she felt like she had been kicked in the stomach. She's lived in the UK for 7 or 8 years.
They're actively trying to move back to Ireland, (Hurray for us)

AbyssinianBanana · 22/07/2016 23:48

I'm technically an EU migrant but I also have a US citizenship and accent. I do not have the option of taking on UK citizenship unless I renounce another. Which frankly I will not, as I no longer feel this country is "home" or very welcoming. I no longer see myself living old and dying here, which is pretty fucked up considering I am married to a Brit and have children who are British.

Onthewingofaswift · 22/07/2016 23:50

Eu national. Worked here for 30 years. I feel worried about being ' one of them who gets sent back'. Because I speak fluent English I'm not seen as an immigrant and I feel sick when I hear the whole 'it's the immigrants that caused the problems' and very aware that they mean me. I may be sensitive but it seems more common since Bexit to let the tongue drop the immigrants line. I feel a lot more suspicious about whether people are racist, more heightened to it. I'm glad my dad, an Eu migrant hasn't lived to see this happening as he loved this country.

ny20005 · 23/07/2016 00:02

I'm Irish & have lived in Scotland for 13 years. Had a job within a few days & have worked since (apart from Mat leave)
Married to a scot & have 2 Scottish children. I don't feel any less welcome although Scotland voted to remain. I've had a few comments 'your not the type of immigrant we meant' when challenged, they meant Syrian refugees 🙄

I feel sorry for England & Wales - think they have some very tough times ahead but feel positive for Scotland & feel we'll go independent. I worry about NI as can't see a United ireland without trouble

PurpleTango · 23/07/2016 00:13

I am an immigrant. I have ben living and working in the UK for over 20 years. My children are British. I voted leave - as did the rest of my family. Brexit does not make me feel less British. The UK is my home. Furthermore it is all my children know. Its about time people realised that uncontrolled immigration affects us all. I have no problem with controlled immigration. When my family applied to live and work in the UK we had to apply for visas. We were accepted. I am positive that any future migrants who apply to live and work in the UK will be allowed to provided that they intend to work and have the skills that the UK needs. I have no objection to migrants who have no intention of working and just want an easy live via the UK benefit system to be sent back home. If anyone thinks all migrants want to come to the UK to work they are very much mistaken

littleprincesssara · 23/07/2016 00:16

One of my dearest friends is and she's just terrified that she's going to be kicked out and forced to leave her family, and that people secretly hate her.

wizzywig · 23/07/2016 00:24

Im a british asian, my parents were born amd brought up abroad. I know it was common that others in the same position kept dual nationality incase we were ever kicked out or felt we needed to go back to our country of origin. A lot of us never felt accepted or that the UK was our home. I wonder if brexit will stir up hatred towards the uk and possible violence?

WanderingNotLost · 23/07/2016 00:37

This makes me so sad Sad. To me me, one of the saddest things as that people seem to think that it's reflective of the feelings of the whole country. Please, please try to remember that it was just barely over half the country that voted out, and the slightly-less-than-half that voted remain are just as bitterly upset, disappointed and pissed off as you are.

Gooseysgirl · 23/07/2016 00:52

I'm Irish, been here 12 years, English DH and two kids. Until Brexit I had no burning desire to return to Ireland - we loved our life here in London. But now we are 50/50 on whether we will stay. DH is disgusted with the result and is very open to a move to Ireland. But for now we're just going to wait and see how things go. I've had one 'you're Irish why are YOU here so far'... it's quite unnerving!!

yummycake123 · 23/07/2016 01:01

I'm a EU citizen, have lived in the UK for 15 years. I feel a bit uncomfortable lately, like I'm more aware I'm "foreign" now, whereas before I didn't really think about it-or cared!
DP is British and we have a DS who is British (I'm also getting him his EU passport now, just in case!).
What saddens me the most is that a lot of people have a very distorted view of immigration: suddenly it seems immigration is the reason of ALL problems in this country. I absolutely hated some of the Leave campaign messages. I hear people say that EU citizens come to the UK to get free housing and benefits, that they bring salaries down, etc. But if you look at statistics, EU citizens represent a small percentage in benefits claims. I personally have never claimed any benefits, never received any tax credits, never claimed housing, I work full time and currently I'm supporting my household with my salary as DP is a SAHD. So I don't see myself as a burden to society, I have contributed a lot, and still contribute.
But I'm not sure what's going to happen to my rights in this country, so that's making me anxious.
Also, I don't like the xenophobia/racism that the referendum has highlighted. I've been in conversations where people moan about immigrants and I've had to say "I'm an immigrant too" And they go "Oh you're ok though, not immigrants like you". What does that mean?
Also, I've read some outrageous comments where people say things like "Oh well, if they [immigrants] are deported they can find a job somewhere else.." Err?! Life is not just about a job, it's your relatives, your friends, your neighbourhood, etc. Some people have settled here and have a life.
DP and I have discussed the possibility of moving abroad, so it's something we might consider at some point...

Henrysmycat · 23/07/2016 05:33

I am from the EU (the bad, penniless bankrupt country). I was one of those immigrants some people love to hate. I moved here at 20 with a scholarship at the top university and £200 in my pocket and a change of clothes. (It was the early 90's).
My parents never paid a penny in taxes here but Britain offered me a chance and I took it. I never qualified for any benefits the brexiters whined about so I had to work and study.
Fast forward 20 years (pretty much to the day) and I am considered a success. High flying career, husband, kid, beautiful huge house in the Home Counties...all the trappings.
I meet my British husband at uni and he's from a wealthy, old fashioned family. I always made a point not ask for money or do anything that would be considered beneath them. He has a brother that is a high functioning but not quite there in the terms of intelligence. Never managed to finish a single GCSE despite an expensive education. In all those years, we watch him bleed dry my husband's family as he was always in the red by 1000s. But that was not my problem, if anything I supported him and provided money and shelter for him. Same with my MIL when my husband's stepfather died and she didn't have anyone to for emotional support. I even took time off work (that careerwise couldn't afford as I was on a path) to be with her. I thought, she'd finally like me. I'm good for her son, I love him, support him, stand by him. He's the loveliest human being and I worship him. The only kid we were blessed with is great, top in class, talented musician and a decent child, I though she'd finally see and accept me.
But you know, both of them voted out for immigration purposes.
Yes, I'm extremely hurt. I'm extremely upset. Joe Bloggs down the street can hate me, it's not pleasant but I can't do much but what I considered my own family hurt me beyond recognition.
A few days before the referendum, we visited MIL and when she said her views I was butthurt and told her. I was thinking she will change but I was wrong.
People saying "but you are different"; no I'm not. I was penniless looking for a way out of poverty and grabbed every chance that came my way, a bit like other immigrants you love to hate.
Problem is my company is already in talks of moving our HQ to Paris as we have an extremely capable huge office there and my husband can work from anywhere.
So, don't blame me if I abandon this ship and my husbands family to create a good future for my own family.
It has hurt a lot waking up after 20 years in a nest of vipers.
And when people say to me "what's done is done". Well, what's done is not done. I do not know the full extent of my fate. I don't know the reprecautions. It's not easy. I didn't lose a tenner to get over it, my whole life is at stake here.

icanteven · 23/07/2016 07:20

We're Irish, and although I'm disgusted at the vote, it's not as though the Irish have exactly spent the last few centuries being the most revered visitors to English shores, so I don't feel any more or less welcome than before.

I also don't imagine that many people who voted out actually associated Irish people with EU migration, because it has never been a factor for the substantial numbers of Irish people living in the UK, as we have freedom to live and work here anyway, and have done since long before the EU was a twinkle in anybody's eye.

For Irish people planning to leave as a result, well, was this really the first indicator that many people in the UK don't want us, or any other non-Brit here? You had no inkling at all before? Many of our parents saw the "No Dogs, Blacks or Irish" signs for themselves. I don't feel more or less welcome as a result of Brexit, but it has reinforced some of my less charitable thoughts about the English in this regard.

We've lived in the UK for 8 years. My DH is applying for some jobs at the moment, related to his ridiculously specific field. We mind end up in the UK, Germany or somewhere in Scandinavia. Maybe even New York. We have have EU/Irish and American passports that give us HUGE, precious freedoms to live and work in an amazing range of countries.

It is very sad that so many people in the UK don't value the freedom they had, and have shat it away on the mistaken belief that it will change their lives for the better.

icanteven · 23/07/2016 07:35

That all sounded more negative than I meant it to. We love living in England. We live in a particularly wonderful part of it, with fun, welcoming and diverse people. We have felt very insulated from the uptick in racism over the last few weeks, and the place where we live has particularly high numbers of non-British professionals anyway, probably higher than in most parts of the country.

I hope that Brexit will not affect my DH's job prospects as much as it has my client list, and that we can stay here for many more happy years.

Headofthehive55 · 23/07/2016 08:05

icaneven people don't value the ability to work in a range of countries on the whole. I meet people who have never been abroad or even out of the city they live in. So offering a freedom that lots of people aren't bothered about isn't exactly a loss to them.

I have no interest whatsoever in working in another country. Therefore it is no loss.

crossroads3 · 23/07/2016 08:17

For example we sat in a restaurant at the weekend and DH was talking to DS2 in his native tongue - a lady on the next table was very loudly discussing how disgusting it is that people come here and don't talk English and what a good thing brexit was to put a stop to it.

That's awful facepalming Shock. Did your dh say anything to the lady?

TriJo · 23/07/2016 08:18

Irish in London here - I have a British passport too but my (also Irish) husband doesn't. I honestly don't feel any less welcome here (in London specifically) and nothing in my day to day life has really changed but I am in a borough that voted 75% Remain.

The result felt like a total kick in the pants though, a vote for wilful ignorance and vindication for the Little Englander thuggish element.

Nataleejah · 23/07/2016 08:33

Feeling shitty. If not allowed to stay, i guess i'd go into hiding and be an illegal.

ByTheSea · 23/07/2016 08:36

I'm not EU but American and have been here over 19 years, British DH, DC, etc. Feel like I've been kicked in the teeth. I identify as an immigrant, despite being white and coming from an English-speaking country, and the hatred directed at immigrants hurts...

ByTheSea · 23/07/2016 08:38

Also was planning to go for British citizenship if Trump wins US presidency. Now, not so sure...

Solina · 23/07/2016 08:43

Im from EU country and do not feel any different or unwelcome here.
However, I do not want to stay but thats because I have never really enjoyed living here due to various reasons and not because of the brexit. I only moved as my OH is british and me moving made the most sense at the time. I doubt we will move any time soon though.

ToastDemon · 23/07/2016 08:43

I'm also an immigrant. Non-EU and now have a British passport. It no longer feels like the country I was so proud to become a citizen of. We're exploring our options.

SanityClause · 23/07/2016 08:46

I am an immigrant from a commonwealth country.

On 24th June, I felt like shit (still do, a bit). I always thought the UK was an outward looking, welcoming country. It really seems that it is just a thinly painted veneer over a small minded, mean spirited heart. (Yes, I know many of you are like I always thought, which is why I always thought it - I'd met so many of you! It's just, I didn't realise there were so many of the others, as well. Sad)

I spoke to a Leave voter that day, and she tried to reassure me that it wasn't immigrants like me she had a problem with, it was those "other immigrants". Racism - you gotta love it! Hmm

SouthWestmom · 23/07/2016 08:50

Everyone talks about how wonderful and inclusive Britain is but for a lot of people (outside London) it's just meant mini non integrated communities living alongside them, not with them.

mortgagefreesoon5 · 23/07/2016 09:17

I am an EU immigrant. I have been living here on and off for 20 years. I live British DP for 18 years, we have 2 beautiful children, a house here and another in my home country and a small business. Never claimed a penny on benefits and ive paid thousands in taxes over the years. We have worked very hard for what we ve got. In fact looking back i feel that I've worked extra hard to prove sthg.
One of my european friends was told a couple of weeks ago to f@#$ off back to her country, my friend was talking to her 3 years old daughter at the time. I mean, what kind of "person" says that in front of a child? .....we are talking here about a 50 something years old man.
I feel the result of this election has given certain people the "carta blanca" to be openly horrid.
I want my children to grow happy, confident and proud of both heritages. I want them to be inclusive and embrace different cultures.
I am so sad, this is my home.