To wonder if this is what people mean by gentle parenting

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3699191/Outrage-parents-allow-child-toilet-Morning-floor.html

Not sure why a one year old wouldn't have a nappy on as she clearly is not Notts trained at that age my one year old would be become destressed to be constantly wet

And what's the no medication about surely social service would become involved if they got very ill and parents did noting

Very odd

OH man! I just cheated and googled!

so the £150k they're trying to raise is actually a buy-in to the most expensive MLM yet?

MN is better than anything on netflix tonight!!

An MLM's like some sort of pyramid scheme, yes?

Yeah, there's a whole load of lifecoaching ones that just coach you to sign up other people to coach people to sign up other people etc etc..

"be the brand" "market yourself" "attraction marketing" etc

Posted by them a few hours ago:

Signing off for the weekend now thanks for all the positive comments and 'have a great weekend' to everyone! Check out the daily mail tomorrow for our latest interview, proof checked by us before publication (apart from the headline).

Yep I was back to regular ovulation/periods when my boob monster was 10 months MrsJoey - 2 months with my mix fed baby, so it did delay it for me but not long enough to rely on as a contraceptive.

Re: lemon peel - I would've thought it would sting :o but it was an old form of contraception so it can't be that bad (maybe they used to boil it first or something? You have to wonder though, who was the first person to try that? I mean, who was merrily slicing a lemon and thought oh I know, that'll fit nicely over my/my husband's todger?). However the Allens say they use lemon juice medicinally so at least, er, that part of him would be safe from the common cold. And scurvy.

Sundance Family, based in Costa Rica. Google Costa Rica and tax to find out the likely reasons.

How can they possibly reconcile being off grid and alternative with accepting money from the fucking DM, the most mainstream, establishment, single mother/immigrant/benefits claimant hating rag there is?
These 2 are really starting to annoy me now.
I genuinely misread their surname as 'Alien' when I first read it.

But return to Germany to give birth for free.

Yeah, they definitely didn't get to proof the headline Sorry for DM link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704270/I-thought-buying-Adele-800-bracelet-birthday-living-high-life-earning-silly-money-giving-shocking-TV-viewers-feral-kids-free-range-couple-eccentric-harmful.html

Very vague about what their 'high evening's jobs were. Mr A was a gym assistant on a cruise ship, and Adele was a children's yoga teacher, neither of which suggest big bucks. Also both appear to be nutritionist, albeit ones that have very little understanding of how nutrition works.

But they haven't "given it all up", have they? . They've just stopped working for it. And expect it to be handed to them on a plate via the state picking up their bills and complete strangers gifting them £150k

I guess those jobs would be high earning compared to what they have now.

One thing that really fucked me off is where she talks about the ds getting scarlet fever from a child who'd 'been vaccinated'. There is no vaccine for scarlet fever! If you're going to go against conventional medicine etc at least learn what it is you're against!

Pissed me off too Minesa

Reading that DM article, it seems they have a rescue dog called Noah from Bosnia of course they would have that has magical healing antiseptic powers in its saliva, which they use to heal grazed knees.

Ffs. Dogs saliva does contain antimicrobial properties but there are probably a 100 times more 'bad' bacteria in the saliva, than 'good'. My dog would eat her own (and the cats) crap if I let her, I wouldn't want her tongue anywhere near me.

Still, if the wound gets infected from letting the dog lick it, she can always heal it with breast milk. Or positive thinking.

And I am majority fucked to learn that having cancer was my own fault and I should have cured it using breast milk, dog spit and positive thinking.

They seem very happy play acting their 'alternative' lifestyle.
I wonder if some of their confidence comes from knowing that they have a Mum (Adele's) who would pay out ££ to pick up the pieces if it all went wrong?

Lorsaid : not only that but the husband stated in an interview that he trusted his wife's body to protect their child during childbirth, no medical assistance would be needed. She would ensure nothing went wrong.
So what about the millions of women for whom childbirth doesn't have a happy ending? Arrogant, Ignorant man.

Stupid, stupid man, more like. They sound like a pair of 12 year old's with zero life experience; so certain the world is theirs for the taking (literally, no need to get your hands dirty) and that they're physically invincible.
Breathtaking thick...

I'm confused as it seemed to suggest in that article that they want to set up their own retreat? But I thought they were going to join an existing one.

From the blog "Autism: A complex condition often triggered by heavy metal poisoning from the mercury in dental fillings and/or the mercury added to vaccinations. A heavy metal detox under guidance of a qualified practitioner is paramount to healing the body from mercury poisoning. A natural and safe combination for children to take combines coriander/cilantro herb with the algae called Chlorella." . I've read through this thread and noticed some posts already referring to this but still can't quite believe it. I am diagnosed with ASD. I was born like this, as were other members of my family. Sometimes ASD can affect people's lives terribly but I'm happy as I am and don't consider myself to be impaired by mercury fillings. I'm surprised at how uninformed they seem to be. Have they never heard of neurodiversity? And as for the ideas about cancer etc, it's hard to forgive someone publicising those beliefs.

A lot of this seems like something that was new and exciting in the 1990s. That's when I did extended breastfeeding, lived off-grid (without mains electricity or water), grew my own food organically and home educated my children. We lived like this for 6 years and the children, now grown up, had a great time. But we've also made use of mainstream education and healthcare and had great experiences with both.

It worries me when things like this are presented as a "movement". Surely to look after your children well you need to be ready to learn and adapt, changing your plans as necessary. It seems like they are expecting to find a perfect solution to life; that it's simple; that we'll all be happy as long as we don't vaccinate/grow our own food etc, which unfortunately is bullshit.

I think they're well-intentioned, and there's nothing wrong with people leading different ways of life and the kids look happy, but they are promoting their ideas as a style of living and ideas can be very dangerous.

Having done something a bit similar, I hope they don't move to Costa Rica, but just stay in the UK. It will be much easier for them to start growing their own food in an environment they're used to, and it will be easier for the kids to rebel/for them to make changes.

As for not needing assistance when giving birth - well, I'd be dead and so would one of my children if it wasn't for modern medicine.

Sorry about rambling

Mr sundance is open about the tax avoidance, but hippy-washes it as "not wanting to fund wars"

He's very MLMey - don't give into fear of being destitute, buy my business program and learn to be FREE

I wonder if the giving birth in germany is to get around statelessness issues being that they're not resident anywhere. I don't think they're ABLE to stay in Germany for long though because isn't Home Education illegal there?

He said they only ever get tourist visas, can you work from your laptop on a tourist visa????

The lemon peel will be the same theory as the vinegar soaked wool - change your fanjo's pH… which will hardly be without side effects! ouch!

They sound like a pair of 12 year old's with zero life experience; so certain the world is theirs for the taking

I'ld say more like a particularly annoying 17 year old.. hadn't actually done anything worth shouting about yet but full of opinions and sure that they know better than anyone else how things should be done..

It's easy to be opinionated about something you haven't tried yet, and the As haven't done anything near off grid or self sustainable yet.

Interesing that the As had a failed Oz attempt

The sundances "story" goes that when they started out they arrived in oz with £50 and nowhere to stay and no jobs lined up and made it work through positive thinking /power of attraction.

1. I don't think Oz lets you in in those circumstances so I call bullshit
2. Mr Sundance had a trade: carpentry. The As have nothing useful to offer but their opinions

Matt takes whatever work he can find as a health coach, but would rather trade services for goods than submit to more conventional employment.

Well, quite, because declaring it might affect your benefits right mate?

Love that those of us who are doing it all wrong according to the As are the ones paying the taxes for their benefits, not!

Can we have a referendum re-run where we can vote to KEEP the immigrants and get all the Adeles out?

They're the very worst kinda hippy: "spiritually unfulfilled" little rich kids playing at poverty to "get back to basics" - their whole outlook is so offensive