To think boys should be able to do Brownies?

[PrinceCharming7]

I'm a bit confused why they don't? Girls are allowed to do Scouts/Cubs/Beavers, so why can't boys do brownies?

Yes Wankers that's exactly what I said isn't it?

Not joining a big group = spend the rest of your life in your bedroom.

The level of reading comprehension on this thread is low. And the level of obtuseness off the chart.

The stereotypes of male volunteers have affected mixed organizations such as Scouts as much as Brownies, in fact, 'Scout Leader' has become a very stigmatized label, and not many men want to do Scouts for that reason. So, how would making Brownies mixed help with this stereotype at all, when it's mainly women that run both types of group?

OP if it bothers you this much set up your own group for craft loving boys.

Oh wait, that'd involve some actual effort on your part.

In that case no don't involve yourself -just moan about all the other people who DO get off their fat arse and make an effort. That'll work.

FWIW I'd prefer Scouts to be boys only but a leader crisis forced them down another route, so I'm happy to live with it.

whiz at brownies I did woodwork, lots of camping and we played football, we also learnt to sew buttons, baked cakes etc

In guides we also learnt a lot about personal hygeine and periods and the like - not sure if they still do that now... But I know some of my adult female friends learnt about this thanks to guides.

What about the boys that feel intimidated? take it up with the school, why don't you? Ask for safe place for boys.

In my experience as a teacher, that safe place has always been the library.

Agree ritchy

My sons would like brownies. They hate football, building stuff, camping and outdoorsy stuff

Don't send them on Brownie camp, then. They come home covered in mud having fallen in the river building rafts.

Fat arse? Erm... Okay, glad you know my weight? And exercise levels by the sound of it.

Thank you rufus. For those that missed it I'll repeat - IF YOU WANT A BOYS ONLY SPACE FOR CRAFT-LOVING BOTS SET ONE UP.

So girls take over that too? Like they did with BB... It would just be a waste.

Fat arse? Erm... Okay, glad you know my weight? And exercise levels by the sound of it.

FFS it's a metaphor to indicate a certain reluctance to do anything, while indulging in pissing and moaning.

^Whizzywig My sons would like brownies. They hate football, building stuff, camping and outdoorsy stuff.*

Would hate some of my local Brownie and Guide units then - with the exception of the football (although that could be done at a weekly meeting) as I know units which do all of the others regularly!

Out of last terms meetings so about 14 ish we have been outside for at least 7!

I know people have said it before (and been ignored)

But the activities on offer vary from group to group

Our village had two cub groups, one group were virtually never in the hut as the leaders wanted to do stuff outdoors and found the cubs easier to manage than being stuck in the hall with them

The other group very rarely left their hall and did a lot of quiet activities including crafts and learning about different countries, science activities, natural workd etc

The first group were mixed the second group was male only

So girls take over that too? Like they did with BB... It would just be a waste

That's right; don't try because it won't work. Way to go, OP.

Imagine boys not feeling comfortable anyway except y'know, the fact the entire Western World is set for males.

If you're that bothered tell them your son identified as a girl, that will solve your problem.

Because girls have it so tough

Ha ha! Just summed up your own thread OP.

Just in case it matters

The first group was much larger than the second

And its very difficult to take something over if someone doesnt want you to

Golf clap for the op.

Can't argue with stupid.

echt

While I can see your point, if the protests were properly conducted then not unfair. Possibly this is the way forward for the OP to ensure that boys get into Brownies.

You are advocating that the OP rings up the head office of the brownies and threatens to go to the press with protests of sexual discrimination? Or holds a protest outside the local base of the brownies?
Or as we had a threatened sit in (with local press present) by the girls and parents on the night that we held our group?

How are any of these threats "properly conducted"?

The girls could have done the same activities at the sea cadets, army cadets, scouts or mixed/single sex sports groups in the area.

So why the need to demand access to the only boys group left in the area?

If brownies is such a "safe" nurturing space, then why don't boys need that too. Together. It's not about wanting a brownies equivalent that's boys only

Because then it wouldn't be as safe and nurturing a space for the girls.

In what universe are boys and men disadvantaged?

It is recognised white boys are the most disadvantaged group in schools. it is recognised that by the age of 5 white boys are the worst performing group in school, they are biggest group which don't meet govt. targets. Their group is the one in which most of them cannot read and write.

The hatred for boys on this thread is disgusting. I find it strange that so many women on MN claim to bring up children and have such an influence in their lives yet so many people moan about how badly behaved boys are when they grow up. If women do such a good job of bringing up children why do boys go off the rails so much?

Thank you rufus. For those that missed it I'll repeat - IF YOU WANT A BOYS ONLY SPACE FOR CRAFT-LOVING BOTS SET ONE UP

Who is asking for a boys only craftey group here? That's not what the OP is asking for at all

Wow, some really well thought out and articulated arguements from the pro-segregation lot on here: Anyone who disagrees is fat, lazy, obv does nothing for their community, and their kids friends hate them.

OP, if this is how people who've been through or volunteer for brownies behave, I think your son has had a lucky escape!

Here is an idea OP enroll your son in Cubs, see how he gets on.

Because girls have it so tough

Whether you think this or not is irrelevant. The girls only groups exist for the many reasons already stated, and your desire to horn in on one of the few spaces set aside for them, to suit your convenience is a symptom of the "tough" world for girls. It's lots of little things.