To think boys should be able to do Brownies?

[PrinceCharming7]

I'm a bit confused why they don't? Girls are allowed to do Scouts/Cubs/Beavers, so why can't boys do brownies?

I think they should either have mixed for both, or have a boy only/girl only and just do all mixed activities.

It's like the local netball clubs, it doesn't accept boys...

And some girls aren't allowed to mixed groups which is why there is a need for girls only groups.

Adulting it's bee explained a few times actually.

No it hasn't been explained at all
just lots of "safe space" and "to be themselves" but nobody has explained why they don't think this would happen if boys joined

If boys could join it'ld be the same as ballet lessons: they boys that joined would be the boys who gravitate towards girl friendships groups more than steriotypical boy ones

The mans man type boys would still go to scouts or football, it'ld just mean that the more girly orientated boys wouldn't be excluded from rainbows/brownies.

Surely some boys would like to do things with girls around too?

*without

Then why don't you start a netball club for boys OP?

We always get this whenever there's something just for girls. 'But what about the boys?'.

Because I can't play netball?

Yes, but I don't see what threat 8-10 year old boys have on girls

The boys I know who would love to do rainbows are the boys who play with mostly girls at school, and don't understand why they can't have the same extra curricular activity as their friends.

It's just been explained again Adulting.

You don't need to be able to play netball but you could learn the rules and start a club if you were really that bothered.

Boys don't need a safe space from girls.

Yeah, they possibly need a safe space from other boys, but that's a bit against that group activity thing the scouts have.

Try to get the local scouts to do more crafts.

We always get this whenever there's something just for girls. 'But what about the boys?'.

But it's valid! Not all boys want to go to more boy orientated extra curricular stuff. Not all boys are scout/football material, so those boys DON'T have "their space" - their space would be the likes of Rainbows/brownies.. except their not allowed because they're steriotyped as what? too rough to allow girls to "be themselves", to dominant for girls to "have a safe space" - people seriously still generalise like that! Jesus how depressing is this?

Having volunteered a few times at beavers as a massive favour to a friend, I was grateful to return to my brownie unit. GGUK have frequently asked their members if they wish to be mixed and the last time was a resounding no in my unit.

We don't do much girly stuff. The Disney Florida request and the swim wife (think they meant with) the Sharks have proved more problematic due to costs.

Some people have the wrong impressions of girl guiding being all girly but in some units they do a heck of a lot more than the scouts do.

It is extremely depressing to live in a world where girls are sseminly not allowed to have their own space because 'what about the boys?'.

Again, if you're that concerned start your own 'boys group' where they get to do all the quiet stuff they want to do.

Again, if you're that concerned start your own 'boys group' where they get to do all the quiet stuff they want to do.

Because it'ld be an all boys group, the boys who are best friends mainly with girls would still be excluded from the activities they hear all their friends going on with Brownies

In what way does an 8 year old boy make a space "unsafe" for girls? No! it has not been explained, it has just been repeated with no justifications or explainations whatsoever

Not being able to cope with the rough and tumble of Cubs (which has it's fair share of girls enrolled, let's remember) is not a reason to imagine he should be allowed into Brownies.
Just so he can do crafts... Find him a knitting circle.

What threat does an 8 year old make, Please explain??

OP, just tell them he's trans. They'll be falling over themselves to prove they're right on and let him in

*A safe boy space? That would be the world, wouldn't it?

Given that they are the ones doing the raping, the murdering of partners, the violence against other males, etc, etc.*

Boys!! We are talking about children, brownies beavers what under 8's not men. Your post disgusts me.

I am delighted my girls go to Brownies/Guides and that these are all girl spaces. Research shows that in the classroom and elsewhere, boys take up more time, are more likely to speak and so forth, and that often girls step back from traditionally 'boyish' activities when boys do them. In Brownies/Guides, they get the opportunity to do activities like camping, building fires, BBQ food, canoeing, archery and encourage each other (as well as more crafty things in the winter). I don't mind all girls schools for the same reason.

I noticed this gender divide particularly in that TV programme with Lord Winston and the 4/5 year olds, when asked to pick a leader, it was between several boys and the girls were just ignored. Obviously some women manage to lead/get involved despite this (such as Theresa May), but then she went to an all girls grammar, so that kind of proves my point.

Not being able to cope with the rough and tumble of Cubs (which has it's fair share of girls enrolled, let's remember) is not a reason to imagine he should be allowed into Brownies.
Just so he can do crafts... Find him a knitting circle

So you can't imagine why Brownies would appeal over cubs for an individual boy?
For exactly the same reason why it appeals to some girls?
Or should everyone just find a knitting circle and nobody want to go to Brownies?

I agree it's valid too.

I know a couple of boys who only mix with girls. I expect they would hate cubs and it would be nice if they could find an organisation in which they would feel comfortable.

My DS's cub pack used to have some outside sessions which used to involve a fire. At the end of the session they used to put the fire out by all pissing on it. I thought that was ghastly personally but DS loved it. Wonder what they would have done if they had had a girl in the group? Presumably they wouldn't have been able to do it . . . great, think I, learn a bit of bloody decorum, but TBH it was only a bit of harmless male bonding.

Maybe they should just encourage their female friends to join Cubs, in that case Adult.

Or think about why the girls have deliberately chosen the all girls alternative, rather than trying to wangle a way in themselves.

But there are other gorups boys can join n with girls, youth groups, church groups, after school clubs, drama, dance, swimming, singin, music, art clubs, woodcraft folk, st johns ambulance..... all sorts.

It's not as though there aren't options for a quieter boy to spend time with girls.

some girls need a space where they get to relax because they are not being dominated by boys, being run rough shod by boys, being talked over by boys, being 'second bested' by boys. Some girls are not allowed to join groups with boys in them.

You keep talking about 'friends' at the group. What if your son joined a group and then some other girls joined who weren't friends of your son? Girls who wanted to have a place away from boys altogether, even nice boys. What about girls who've come from abusive families? Girls who have domineering male relatives?

Can you honestly not see why some girls need safe spaces away from boys?