to think that Nicola Sturgeon is a liar

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She has said 'Holyrood could veto Brexit'

www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

However, the Scotland Act 1998, from which all her powers are derived, makes it clear that foreign affairs, including, explicitly, relations with the EU, is not something over which the Scottish Parliament has any authority.

She says ' would there have to be a legislative consent motion' (i.e. a motion accepting UK legislation in a devolved area to be valid in Scotland). The answer is no, as foreign relations are not devolved.

She obviously knows this, why is she lying?

YABU. Nicola please save us. I'll vote SNP forever more....

She is not looking after the interests of Scotland; she is pursuing the same agenda she has always pursued and that is an independent Scotland. This is a. Ideological stance and nothing to do with what is 'best' for Scotland,

I have a lot of family that voted for independence in the Scottish referendum. They voted remain as it was the easiest way to trigger a quick second referendum for Scotland, their votes have nothing to do with wanting to stay in the EU.

If this is a legal thing to do, I am happy for her to do this. Someone finally speaking for the 48% who see this as an utter disaster.

Look, there is no way the Tories want to trigger the poisoned chalice of Article 50 - the person that does that is going to be a dose of scabies for ever more - massively unpopular

So it has to either be blocked or redefined by then

Choices are:

1. Parliament blocking it - possible, but who is going to band together to do this among such fractured camps

1. A general election - this might be desirable by all sides as MPs will run on a pro or anti euro platform - then there may be a more defined mandate

1. Another referendum - unlikely in my opinion

If I was Nicola I'd know I need to act fast in case Article 50 is triggered - so I'd be making Edinburgh attractive to the banks, thinking about blocking the current referendum or having further referenda on applying to join the EU in the event of a referendum on an independant Scotland

georgetteheyersbonnet have you had a sense of humour bypass? I know full well the ECHR is separate from the European Union, I was making a point about who NS could get to enforce her veto? Are you suggesting the UK could be forced to stay in the EU against its will? Would germany send in its army to enforce it? Maybe the United Nations or NATO?

She's never hidden the fact that she is for an independent Scotland has she? Why wouldn't she pursue it now when it finally seems within sight?

She's up off her backside exploring how to implement the changes she wants to see. Unlike Johnson and Gove who are in hiding.

There's a lot of talk about whether Europe can kick us out (they can't) but they could start a legal process/committee to look at expediting it for us without us triggering it

It's law meaning it's a moveable feast. There will be lawyers in Europe right now looking into the question of kicking us out a bit quicker so we don't affect their economies for too long.

I'd forgotten that you could hide threads. It's going to be quite a task and there won't be much mn left, but that's made my day.

Agree Laurie re Tories stepping away from article50. Hope HoC get together this week and say 'thanks for your advice country but it was too close, predicated on lies and we will ALL have too much to lose'.

No one is stopping Scotland going Independent and applying to join the EU if they want to. The people of scotland have as much choice as the English, no one should be forced to do anything. If NS was being honest she would call a second referendum, at the minute she is being very cowardly saying well maybe we will, maybe we won't, let me do a fews polls first to see how likely I am to win.

I can't stand the woman. She and her other SNP cronies have a LONG history of stating as fact things which wold have to be negotiated at a later date, or which are so up in the air that nobody knows for sure.

Statements like "Of course Scotland would continue to use the pound" and "Scotland would be in the EU without having to accept the Euro" were often heard during the Independence Referendum.

Unfortunately the SNP faithful are so brainwashed they lap up everything she says and if you dare criticise the Dear Leader you are help up as anti-Scottish, unpatriotic, a Tory (they are programmed to spontaneously combust if they use the word "Conservative"), stupid, pessimistic, deluded.

The mandate of the First Minister may well be to look after the interests of Scotland, but Noxious Nik and her minions are only looking after the interest of SNP voters which isn't the same thing at all.

That's not cowardice, that's a measured response imo

The bottom line is - do the Scottish people want to be in the EU more than be joined to an England/Wales who voted to leave

That question is incredibly complex - not the stupid Leave/Remain crappy ballot paper we've had so far

So far we've had simplistic bollocks - the question above is properly complex

If NS was being honest she would abide by the results of the last 'once in a lifetime' referendum.

Just like Cameron's response was above party politics so is Nicolas

I do not believe the SNP want an independant Scotland at any cost - they run a fucking country, they're not a one issue party

there's been a material change in circs. since indy1 so she isn't being 'dishonest' - she is reflecting the possible reactions to those changes.

It's very, very complex.

the most dangerous thing is politicians offering so called simple solutions to complicated situations.

Please can we have Nicola Stureon as our next PM. I think it's time qe were led from Scotland!

There were caveats to 'once in a lifetime'

Like EU membership. It's in the articles of SP.

This has completely changed the game.

(I'm Scottish, wanted to remain in the Union - and now would choose to be in the EU over that if I had to)

The last thing she wants is a second referendum now because the oil price is too low.
Only the prime minister can invoke article 50 and, if they do, the only way back is on the same terms as a new member (ie euro and free borders).
There are a lot of EU regulations which impact the UK currently that are not part of UK law outside the EU and a lot of work is required in parliament to make these law or agree to drop them on exit - this can be influenced by SNP MP's.
Where these regulations are in devolved areas, Scottish MSP's can choose to put them into Scottish law or scrap them separately from England.

What's concerning is that she doesn't want Scotland to be forced out of EU against theirby England and Wales but is happy to force us to stay against our will.

So it's ok for England and Wales to force Scotland and Northern Ireland out of the EU against their will? I struggle to see any justifiable reason why this is OK.

I think Nicola Sturgeon is absolutely doing her job right now. She is advocating for the people she was elected to represent, pushing for their interests and doing her best to find a way that their wishes be heard. I'd think far less of her if she wasn't. England and Wales aren't her responsibility.

I say this as a Scot who voted "no" before largely because of my support for the EU. I would probably vote the other way next time.

She's never hidden the fact that she is for an independent Scotland has she? Why wouldn't she pursue it now when it finally seems within sight?

Here here!!! and tbh, she isn't doing it for personal gratification. She is doing it because its what she believes in.

The UK goverment have made a complete arse of things and are in disarray. Thank fuck i live in scotland.

YABU.

..and just to add, she believes it is a good thing for the people of Scotland. She is the only one that makes any sense in all of this.