to ask for some actual facts about how shit things are going to be?

[milkyface]

Can someone please tell me exactly what's going to happen in the next year, 10 years, 20 years?

I mean please someone tell me EXACTLY how shit things are going to be.

I must be missing something because everyone seems to know exactly what position we're all going to be in in 1, 5, 10, 20 year plus, and I don't.

How can we be certain on what will happen when we haven't even left yet?

For goodness sake milkyface why even ask the question if you are just going to dismiss all the answers given?

You are being goady in the sense that you are dismissing very well thought out answers with 'well you don't know'. A lot of posters are basing this on what experts have said, but that was the Brexit camps problem- they dismissed expert opinions as scaremongering.

We have just created a lot of work for lawyers and a massive amount of red tape for everyone in the coming years, OP; and I can guarantee you there will be precious few jobs for ordinary people.

Iceland has had its credit rating repeatedly downgraded and their economy is doing really well.

Scotland already had referendum and they will bite the hand that feeds them if they decide for independency . That's my opinion . Do they actually realise just how many years will take them to gain the membership ??? ( eu membership ? )
By the time it happens eu probably won't exist .
Also all the funding that GB gets is actually our money paid to eu and they regulate what it should be spend on .
I think Britain is an amazing country and strong , and Europe will always nee GB more then vice verse.
No one is talking about freedom of trade with rest of the world . No restrictions , everything will be up to Britain and country the will be dealing with , Australia , New Zealand , Latin America , Africa , Asia ....

Yes, it takes time but in a long term in my opinion is the best thing that ppl of Britain did .
I don't go around and name calling people who voted for remain , that's highly uneducated .
Also someone was asking me what do I consider wrong type of refugees , well fake ones and the economic migrants portraying themselves as a refugees . And it will stop .
Britain will give quota of how many people they can take and not EU telling our government what and how to do .
Again , it's just my opinion .

*For goodness sake milkyface why even ask the question if you are just going to dismiss all the answers given?

You are being goady in the sense that you are dismissing very well thought out answers with 'well you don't know'. A lot of posters are basing this on what experts have said, but that was the Brexit camps problem- they dismissed expert opinions as scaremongering.*

Because I asked for solid facts and mostly the replies have been about what is likely to happen... Which is all well and good but it's not what I asked, because I've already been told a thousand times what is likely to happen.

I don't think it's scaremongering by any means, and yes expert opinions.

Obviously I am talking about countries from already said continents

costa - that was the point I was trying to make.

That people are stating the opinions and predictions as facts.

I don't expect you to have any actual facts on what WILL happen because nobody can know yet.

My point really was that I am sick of reading threads where people are saying they KNOW what's going to happen when they don't.

There's another thread with lots of solid facts about people who have already been made redundant. It's pretty grim reading. Perhaps take a look?

Troubled how do you know they are fake? I really detest this view- they are fleeing war. Also, Syria is not part of the EU, neither is Africa who also have refugees due to war.

How about the British migrants living in Europe? A lot of the migrants from the EU work in the NHS so it's not like they are sitting on their bums watching Jeremy Kyle.

What, if anything will happen to the migrants already here ? do they retain the right to work in this country ?

Now I ask this from a personal perspective (not a kick all the migrants out)

OH 's firm rely heavily on migrant workers about 30% or so....if they were not there the company wouldn't be able to operate as they wish...

milkyface, you sound delighted at the fact that "we can't predict what will happen"...like its some kind of win for you leavers and that those who voted "in" are overreacting and throwing out toys out the pram. How did you vote for "leave" without knowing the facts of what will happen? Why are you asking people who specifically voted "in" about what will happen?

The stupidity amazes me.

The pound has already risen back up if you actually watched the referendum live you'd have seen the moment the leave votes went up and why it plummeted so fast and then went back up, if you want an example of what the uk is going to go through in the next few years look at finland

*What, if anything will happen to the migrants already here ? do they retain the right to work in this country ?

Now I ask this from a personal perspective (not a kick all the migrants out)

OH 's firm rely heavily on migrant workers about 30% or so....if they were not there the company wouldn't be able to operate as they wish...*

I hope/am under the impression that they would stay?

No-one can give facts, but there is likely to be a recession.
Dh's boss has already told his staff that in the event of a recession the business will probably fold.
Dh is nearly 50, so will find it difficult to find another job.
From a personal level, I'm not chucking toys out of my pram, whinging needlessly, I'm fucking terrified.
And angry because so many leave voters have admitted they voted as a protest or didn't really understand what they were voting for, and some I have personally spoken to are open that their vote was cast mainly for racist reasons, which they now see as acceptable to be out and proud about.

MTV I didn't say all refugees are not genuin I said most and I stand by it .
Why travel miles away to get through the EU countries to come to UK?????
If you are genuin you will stop at the closest country of safety .
Not travel days and days to get basically everything here

Because we've lived through periods of uncertainty and flux before and we know how it goes - I'm guessing you're quite young - I'm 50, lived through decimalisation, the 3 day week, the miners strike, heath/Wilson/Heaney, the thatcher years, the erm and black Wednesday, 15% mortgage interest rates, repossessions, negative equity, Blair, the Iraq war, brown, 9/11, 7/7, the crash of 2008/9

Uncertainty is not good

The leave vote has created uncertainty

*ilkyface, you sound delighted at the fact that "we can't predict what will happen"...like its some kind of win for you leavers and that those who voted "in" are overreacting and throwing out toys out the pram. How did you vote for "leave" without knowing the facts of what will happen? Why are you asking people who specifically voted "in" about what will happen?

The stupidity amazes me.*

Im not delighted what an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

I am just pissed off that some people seem to think their opinions are superior to others and state them as facts.

When have I said it's a good thing that none of us really know what's coming next? I haven't.

I voted with gut feeling I've admitted that.

I'm not saying we should have voted one way or another. I don't think you understand what I'm trying to get at?

Healey!!

Oh troubled, most of them do stop at the closest country but what do you do if they won't take anymore?

People are fleeing war, it's attitudes like yours that makes me despair for humanity. I really hope you never need help like those poor sods do.

I don't think anyone understands what you're trying to get at...

Scotland already had referendum and they will bite the hand that feeds them if they decide for independency . That's my opinion . Do they actually realise just how many years will take them to gain the membership ??? ( eu membership ? )
By the time it happens eu probably won't exist .
Also all the funding that GB gets is actually our money paid to eu and they regulate what it should be spend on .
I think Britain is an amazing country and strong , and Europe will always nee GB more then vice verse.
No one is talking about freedom of trade with rest of the world . No restrictions , everything will be up to Britain and country the will be dealing with , Australia , New Zealand , Latin America , Africa , Asia ....

Troubled you are seriously deluded. We don't trade much with the rest of the world because we are no longer a manufacturing nation -- we can't compete with low labour costs in asia, etc. To compete in trade terms in asia we would have to be paying our workers Asian wages and we haven't the population numbers to do so. This is a fantasy at the extreme edges of delusion. It's economically and socially not just implausible but impossible.

The money we send to the EU, after the rebate and inward investment, is so tiny that the equivalent of 15 years of it has already been wiped off our businesses in the stock market yesterday morning. It will be dwarfed many, many times over by the cost of leaving the EU and trying to stabilise our economy. The money promised by Carney as QE just to stabilise the markets yesterday is more than ten times the next ten years' payments to the EU. Are you seeing yet what is happening? The cost of leaving is so massive everywhere in our economy that there will be no money to replace the EU funding we have lost. We will have far, far bigger problems.

We are a legacy country hanging on to our former international influence solely because of our position as a mediator between the US, Nato and the EU. Now, we will rapidly see a sharp decline in our global status and influence. The idea that the EU need us more than we need them is simply laughable. Our trade with the EU will be replaced by a boost for German and French manufacturing which will benefit at us leaving. Before the EU vote we were the 5th largest economy in the world. After yesterday's events and the fall in the pound we were immediately pushed into 6th - overtaken by France. Other countries in the EU will benefit and grow their economies by taking the trading position we have sacrificed. No-one is going to be begging at our doors to buy our products or services. Don't you understand?