The nightmare continues

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Have woken up this morning to the gut wrenching realisation after being asleep that we are still leaving the EU, and we still now have a political vacuum which is likely to be filled by people with even more of a neo liberal agenda than Cameron. At the head of a government which has a mandate of 36% of the electorate.

What is going to make any of this better?

People couldn't engage with the real issues over Europe, and politicians/gutter press made sure that they couldn't, and that's why we're here.

Yes I agree .

Thank you kesstrel I have signed it already (rightly or wrongly but you are right it does voice distress)

Oh OP I am so totally with you. I woke up and cried.
The sheer unnecessary waste and destructiveness of it all.
I certainly won't be "getting over this" in one day. This is only just starting.

It is worrying. I hope that it won't turn out to be as catastrophic as it could.

I think the leavers can fuck off telling people to stop expressing their shock and horror - if Remain had won yesterday this place would be full of threads shouting fix, complaining and demanding another referendum so just piss off telling us not to.

It was hugely divisive and incredibly close. A lot of people are very unhappy and a lot of people's lives will be materially worse as a result of this stupid, ill-informed decision. So yes, we will grieve and worry and fear for our futures and we will do it out loud and I hope some of what we are saying sinks in and more leavers realise what a horrible mistake they have made.

I'm using distraction to help me ignore it, but whenever I think about it it feels like shit. I'm very worried about this country - this is an idea of what we have to do now and it is going to be extremely difficult. Just the admin side of keeping us afloat through this process is going to be nigh-on impossible. And I'm also very worried that this might be the catalyst that leads to the downfall of the EU and the rise of a far-right alliance across Europe. That last point is dramatic and hopefully it won't come to that - but there are indications that we could be moving that way.

constitution-unit.com/2016/06/20/the-road-to-brexit-16-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-will-happen-if-we-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

On the plus side, i'm glad that those who were tory remainers have some clue as to why sick and disabled people and carers were so upset last year

Right and a huge lurch to the right is going to improve that. Have you seen who might end up as prime minister.

A huge vote to ruin the economy is going to help future benefits.

I hope it's not going to be as shit as it looks. But doubt it.

I woke up and felt sick when I thought about it, which is all the time. I just want to shake the 'Brexiters' - do they actually have any idea what they have fucking done? Scotland, NI, break up of the union, economy going into recession, billions to be spent dismantling legislation, putting in new administrative requirements - the list goes on.

And personally, my OH is French, he's lived here for well over a decade, but I don't know what they are going to do about EU citizens. I have no faith, at all, in them making this fair. They've been given an inch and they will take the whole fucking yard. They will see it as a money making opportunity, unsurprisingly, since the costs of Brexit are enormous, and they've seen that there's a whole swathe of little Englanders, pining for the days of the Empire, and who want all Johnny Foreigners out. Nice serendipity.

It is a fucking nightmare. Today will be spent navigating the labyrinthine website of the French embassy to get the children's French passports in order. We were thinking about going back for a bit anyway. But it was a lot less daunting to consider before this stupidity happened. I'm fuming.

People can fuck off with the biscuits and the "not another thread" comments. If they don't want to read them, that's fine, but the OP is entitled to express her fears.

I posted a similar thread after the last general election. I was given lots of biscuits and told that the result was no big deal and that I should stop catastrophising.

Now, a year or so on, I feel that my fears were entirely justified. The most vulnerable in our society have been completely screwed by Osborne's successive cuts and now the rest of us are going to be screwed by Cameron's stupid fucking referendum.

Milky, I think the UK has chosen to enter a period of medium to long-term economic decline, yes. I have a four-year-old and I expect this will still be having an impact when he enters the workforce. That's why it's so bloody miserable. So, while we all have little choice but to just get on with it, a period of horror seems appropriate.

It's just wrong to say that Scotland and London wanted to remain and the rest of the UK wanted out. I'm in Liverpool where we voted overwhelmingly to remain. As did other areas of the UK. Everyone I know is shell-shocked. Everyone had a vote I can't stand all this blaming of 'the North', 'the old', 'the working class', it's bullshit.

I think the leavers can fuck off telling people to stop expressing their shock and horror - if Remain had won yesterday this place would be full of threads shouting fix, complaining and demanding another referendum so just piss off telling us not to.*

Can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't have been at all shocked if remain won.

Even though I did vote leave I was surprised they got the majority to be honest.

I certainly wouldn't have thought it was a fix and I wouldn't have wanted another referendum either - that's not how it works

oh we didn't get the result I wanted so let's have another vote until we do.

The only situation I think another vote would be acceptable is if the eu offers us some kind of substantial incentive to stay. I do think that would make a lot of leavers change their minds.

Another vote without any change would just cause even more problems whether we remained or left

Milky, I think the UK has chosen to enter a period of medium to long-term economic decline, yes. I have a four-year-old and I expect this will still be having an impact when he enters the workforce. That's why it's so bloody miserable. So, while we all have little choice but to just get on with it, a period of horror seems appropriate.

I can understand your concern. I can't predict what the economy will be like in 16 or so years.

Everyone's entitled to be upset/scared/concerned but A period of horror?

It's been 24hrs and its like we've got a date set in stone for Armageddon and we're all going to meet our demise next Thursday at 4pm.

We haven't even left yet have we?!

Minimise, minimise, minimise.

the costs of Brexit are enormous

^ this

There is a London Stays demo in Trafalgar Square on Tuesday the 28th from 5.00pm to 8.00pm if anyone is interested / can go / lives nearby. Not asking for independence for London (!) but bringing people
together....

m.facebook.com/events/1671704409745795/

The kind of nitwits that took their own pens to vote would certainly have been claiming a Remain win was a conspiracy. Such people stared their intention to demand a second referendum in the event of a close result. There would have been a proliferation of angry, worried threads whatever the result because so many people were going to be unhappy either way. This referendum should never have happened.

I signed the petition.

I can't believe what has happened to us, I am just devastated today and so I think it is fine for people to voice their concern and upset so thank you for posting this. Agree that this should never have been put to a referendum or if it had, the bar should have been set a lot higher for such a momentous decision.

I am angry with my fellow citizens who voted for this, took this tremendous gamble with our futures. This has just torn us apart as a country. But I am angrier with those who manipulated their fears and lied to them to bring us to this. The whole process has been handled just appallingly and Cameron has to be accountable for that. I am sorry it has ended his career but I am a hell of a lot sorrier for the rest of us. This massive damage has been done to our country, by ourselves, for NO good reason, for NO tangible gain only tremendous risk.

So how can we just 'shut up and make the best of it' when we don't even know yet what 'it' is? All I know is that I have a job and my DH has a job and we have a mortgage and worry about the future for us. And all the opportunities we had - to move to Europe (where we have family ties), to travel freely - those doors just slammed in our faces.

I have a severely disabled DC and worry about his future. What resources will there be for his care if the economy goes down the toilet? And who will be providing the care for him when we can't do it any more? So today I am terribly terribly upset and angry and I am not just going to be quiet about it.

Dont worry lovely i'm sadly very aware of that :( I was just posting a "plus side" for op.

I know so many people reliant on benefits who voted out with no idea what they are doing to themselves. Gotta make sure we "get them out" though. 🙄

It's just wrong to say that Scotland and London wanted to remain and the rest of the UK wanted out. I'm in Liverpool where we voted overwhelmingly to remain.

I am sorry XiCi I did not realise this... the media has been focusing on Scotland, NI and London and I have stupidly only taken that on board.

For those that think things can't get any worse for them.
Think again.
The EU protected the working classes, you now have a far right government with no control in place.
Start saving for private health care, private education for you kids, social housing has been put on stop by most local authorities, so rents will go up. Private landlords tend not to be as forgiving as local councils.
The pound has fallen sharply against the dollar, and even move sharply against the Yen.
Far east imports (most clothing and white goods) will increase in price.
Jobs are already being cut, notification of potential redundancies were posted yesterday.
I work in a business that doesn't deal with the EU at all and we are suffering already, yes, in a single day.
I truly hope it bounces back that next week or next month we wonder what all the fuss was about. We are carrying on as best we can. But these are extremely worrying times.

I know that I am utterly convinced that Boris will look after the disabled, the poor, the most vulnerable in our society.
But I thought the leave camp has it all planned out, thought they had a longterm strategy. Apparently their well thought through plan was to deal with shit as and when it happens. Nothing to worry about then.

The kind of nitwits that took their own pens to vote would certainly have been claiming a Remain win was a conspiracy. Such people stared their intention to demand a second referendum in the event of a close result. There would have been a proliferation of angry, worried threads whatever the result because so many people were going to be unhappy either way. This referendum should never have happened.

Ah I am not like that.

I didn't take a pen, I don't think it was fixed, or ever could have been whatever the result.

I agree, either way someone would have been upset/angry.

I think I agree that it shouldn't have happened, as either way I think it would have made things worse, be it economically or just creating a massive divide between people.

• know that I am utterly convinced that Boris will look after the disabled, the poor, the most vulnerable in our society. But I thought the leave camp has it all planned out, thought they had a longterm strategy. Apparently their well thought through plan was to deal with shit as and when it happens. Nothing to worry about then.*

........ I'm not a politician?

I didn't realise that if you voted you had to have a 100% watertight strategy of what to do if your side won. Will they call me up to be PM?!

I'm fairly sure that someone somewhere will be coming up with a well thought through plan, but I'm not gonna claim that it's me!

I assume that you had your plan written up and laminated ready to hand to Dave if we had remained?

any Londoners with a long memory will remember what an excellent and well loved mayor of London Boris Johnson was. And voted in twice. I don't recognise the 'crazed buffoon' people are frothing about on here!

crossroads If it does help, there are a long list of noble cities and towns who voted remain - I agree the press has been focussing on London and Scotland.

Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, York, Bristol, Exeter, Cardiff, Oxford, Cambridge, Reading, Brighton, Stockport, Norwich, Leicester, Cheltenham, Tunbridge Wells, Warwick, Winchester, St Albans, Harrogate - take a bow!

Johnson and Gove look bewildered. I feel terrified that no one knows what the fuck to do now.

Given the absolute lies of the Leave campaign, we should have another vote on this - people believed their numbers and the moment the result comes in, Farage acknowledges that it was all nonsense. People were deliberately misled. They truly believed they were voting to save the NHS and benefit the economy and now they are discovering they have voted themselves out of jobs, out of the housing market, into recession and already Farage is talking about private health insurance. A lot of people voted out because they believed deliberate, calculated lies.