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to think Jeremy Corbyn is doing a great job

98 replies

mamamea · 25/06/2016 04:08

He has fulfilled his lifetime of opposition to the EU, and he has seen off a two-term Conservative PM.

Labour Party motion of no confidence seems to be misplaced.....

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A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 25/06/2016 15:59

37% of Labour voters were Brexit and I believe they also need to win over most of the 14% UKIP electorate to win a GE.

You're right. I think that the 37% of Labour and UKIP should band together and take over the Labour party. The rest of us should join with the rest of Labour and moderate Tories and form a centrist party that would probably be in power forever.

I think what this shows is that there is a centrist party that is not being represented in the country. Especially with Scotland maybe leaving.

HostaFireandIce · 25/06/2016 16:31

I think it's funny that everyone bangs on about how he has integrity and that's what makes him amazing even though he has no understanding of politics, ability to rescue the floundering Labour party or genuine desire to be anything other than a high-profile protester and yet we all know that he is opposed to the EU, but he went along pretending to support Remain even though he doesn't support it, did it in such a half-arsed manner that nobody was inspired to vote remain and now has caused a big mess. Integrity, my arse! People say he stands up for what he believes in, but we've seen absolutely no evidence of this at all.

SeaWitchly · 25/06/2016 17:30

I don't think he was half hearted about Remain Confused

He was honest.

There was only the choice of in or out... and he said that he felt Britain had a better future in rather than out. But that he also believes the EU is in need of reform.

This is what is a grown up argument looks like imo. He is addressing the ambivalence of his own position on the EU and expressing the feelings of a good deal of the electorate too ime.

As I've said before, I voted Remain for many reasons but one which was predominant was trust in JC and his opinion. I don't personally respond well to tub thumping, black and white rhetoric a la Farage and his ilk and I wanted to hear from someone who was going to demonstrate a more thoughtful viewpoint.

As it is so often in life there is no perfect option or solution. There is only a reasoned and considered approach to choosing the 'good enough' path. The EU is not perfect [I think most people would agree with that?] but it was considered by JC to be better than the alternative which Leave offered. And his standpoint was that if the UK voted 'remain' we would need to look at what reforms could be reasonably made that best met the needs of the population of the UK [and the world, i.e. climate change].

I really don't understand some people saying he went along pretending to support Remain and has no integrity Confused

Who do you feel has integrity then as a politician - Farage? BJ? Cameron? Osbourne? Gove? Genuinely interested to hear from others who feel that any other prominent politician acted with more integrity than JC.

A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 25/06/2016 18:04

But he isn't Remain and never was. He has always been Leave.

Nicole Sturgeon has more integrity

birdsdestiny · 25/06/2016 18:45

I don't care whether he has integrity or not. He holds no power and in my opinion will never hold power. Makes no difference to the vulnerable in society what his character is like. I want a Labour party in power, I don't want a Labour party in opposition with a nice man at its helm.

HostaFireandIce · 25/06/2016 21:51

My point was not that anyone has more integrity than him, just that integrity is all he supposedly has (what makes him a 'nice man' - I've not seen much else that does), but that I don't think he has it. I agree he has always been Leave, that's my point, but he claimed to be behind Remain, because he was told to, but made it fairly obvious he wasn't, without actually making a case for Leave. And yes, he has no chance of making Labour stronger and into a genuine opposition again and I don't really think he cares whether he does or not!

scarlets · 25/06/2016 22:36

Conservative voters probably love him. Labour are unelectable with him at the helm. He seems nice but he's no PM.

maninawomansworld01 · 26/06/2016 00:10

At the moment Jeremy Corbyn is the best thing that could happen to the Tories.
Sure, the Labour grassroots and the die hardy lefties love him but the vast majority of voters (and most Labour MP's incidentally) can see that he will never be PM. He is to the left what Nick Griffin is to the right, an unelectable extremist.
Extremists of either persuasion should never get a sniff of power, disaster ALWAYS follows. Look at any country or regime in the entire world with an extreme right OR left wing leader... they always end badly.

If Labour put a more moderate leadership in place they would have a good chance at the next election.... I might even vote for them (and I haven't voted for them since Blair the bastard passed the hunting act).

Extremists have a place in politics, they serve to pull the main parties to the right or the left, or to push certain issues (they're called protest parties - like UKIP of the Greens) but they should never be allowed any actual power themselves.
I wouldn't let UKIP run a cake sale and the Greens couldn't even manage to run a single town. They got their hands on one local council and ran it into the ground so badly with their fairy land ideas that Whitehall had to step in and take over as the place was bankrupt, staff hadn't been paid, rubbish was lying uncollected in the streets. Picture that for an entire nation.... then ask yourself if you really want Corbyn as PM.

We'll all be speaking Chineese by the end of the first parliament!

BungoWomble · 26/06/2016 03:53

" I haven't voted for them since Blair the bastard passed the hunting act"

You don't sound like the sort of person who Labour should be trying to represent. If Labour move back to the right they will lose all the popular support they have regained. It is the right that you're talking about, not a "more moderate centre", most people in Britain are a bit confused about that thanks to New Labours defection. In the process they will remove the last chance to find alternatives to this mess and put the final seal on Britain's collapse.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/06/2016 04:26

He always looks uncomfortably out of his depth

That's because he is out of his depth. He has spent decades pootling around on the back benches , never having held even the most insignificant ministerial post.

He's been the most ineffective opposition leader since Michael Foot

At least Foot had experience. And intellectually Corbyn doesn't hold a candle to him.

I think he is a rare creature in a sea of egomaniac, grandstanding rampant ambition

This is the greatest myth about Corbyn- that he's so humble, so ordinary, so lacking in arrogance.

In reality the man must have an ego the size of a planet to have accepted the nomination.

He is patently unfit for the post. He is in his late 60s yet has no cabinet experience whatsoever. He had no reservations about ignoring collective responsibility as a backbencher but appears petulant when his shadow ministers disagree with him.

On Europe he has shown himself to be deeply unprincipled. He knew when accepting the nomination this debacle would blow up; he was anti Europe whilst knowing that was fundamentally at variance with official Labour party policy. Yet, despite having no qualifications for the job, on he goes. His arrogance eclipses anything Boris Johnson could come up with.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/06/2016 04:32

Oh and the irony is Corbyn has sacked the MP for Leeds. Leeds being a city which voted remain.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 26/06/2016 08:21

Came on this morning to post about this but I see Lass already has Grin Corbyn is a disgrace and his supporters are deluded.

NashvilleQueen · 26/06/2016 08:29

Everything Lass said.

mamamea · 26/06/2016 09:47

"Oh and the irony is Corbyn has sacked the MP for Leeds. Leeds being a city which voted remain."

He's not the MP for Leeds, he's ONE of the MPs for Leeds.

And he wasn't sacked for supporting Remain, he was sacked for trying to depose the democratically elected Labour party leader with the support of the overwhelming majority of Leeds Labour voters.....

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BungoWomble · 26/06/2016 10:12

Yeah, he had to get rid of Hilary Benn in those circumstances. I think Benn is another self-serving weasel with no better attributes than a golden tongue. The Labour Party is going to have to split now, and about time too. Let the Tory Lite's have one party, and the rest perhaps merge fully with the Greens and/or Co-Operative Party. It's bad timing, but this is what you get under these circumstances. It has been said before that a 2-party system is archaic and cannot hope to represent the full range of voters' views nowadays.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/06/2016 10:18

mamamea he sacked an MP who presumably effectively put the case for staying to his constituents. I never said he was sacked for supporting remain.

Thymeout · 26/06/2016 10:26

How do you know that Corbyn is supported by 'the overwhelming majority of Leeds Labour voters'?

The referendum wasn't a vote on the LP leadership. It could have been despite Corbyn's leadership and the pro-Remain vote would have been higher without him.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/06/2016 10:36

I'm a member of the Labour party. I didn't vote for Corbyn. He is even more of a disaster than I thought he would be.

shinytorch2 · 26/06/2016 10:38

I bet he voted leave! Shadow cabinet resigning. No authority - seems to be going really well for Jezza.

SeaWitchly · 26/06/2016 11:52
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SeaWitchly · 26/06/2016 11:56

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mamamea · 26/06/2016 20:43

Just as I thought.

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mamamea · 26/06/2016 20:44

Sorry: www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36633238

He spent 40 years campaigning against the EU.

He had no change of heart.....b

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cardibach · 26/06/2016 21:37

It's the Blairites he appointed to try to unite the party who have gone, isn't it? They need to realise the party rejected their stance. I don't want red Tories - there's no point in Labout being elected if they only do the same as the Tories would.

Thymeout · 26/06/2016 21:48

Pps seem to think if you're not a Corbyn supporter you're a Blairite. That's just not true. Things have moved on. There's a large faction in the middle who are neither, like the late Jo Cox.

Corbyn found it difficult enough to form a cabinet before today's resignations. Diane Abbott as Foreign Secretary? That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.