to think Jeremy Corbyn is doing a great job

[mamamea]

He has fulfilled his lifetime of opposition to the EU, and he has seen off a two-term Conservative PM.

Labour Party motion of no confidence seems to be misplaced.....

[Batteriesallgone]

I also think Corbyn sees that there is a popular move away from 'I follow X party, therefore I will think/do what the party says'.

Westminster are heavily invested in the whips system and see it as the only way to get things done. However I think that system is totally at odds with the social media mindset of I can discuss any issue I like and come to a range of opinions on different things. Corbyn has always voted with his conscience and so I think the groundswell of support for him is very reliant on him encouraging others to do the same.

The nasty reaction from Labour MPs - that Labour Was Remain, and people who voted Leave were Not Doing Labour Properly is just a classic example of what has turned so many people off politics and away from the Labour Party. Corbyn shouldn't ally with that mindset whatever he does.

[Batteriesallgone]

I like the fact that Corbyn doesn't want to tell the people what to do.

He wants the people to tell him what to do.

Lot of MPs don't seem to see the difference

[babyinthacorner]

Agree with Seawitchly. Can't say he's the best person to be labour leader at this moment in time, but every time I hear him speak, I'm struck by how honest he is. It's incredibly refreshing to see that in a politician.

[SeaWitchly]

The nasty reaction from Labour MPs - that Labour Was Remain, and people who voted Leave were Not Doing Labour Properly is just a classic example of what has turned so many people off politics and away from the Labour Party. Corbyn shouldn't ally with that mindset whatever he does.

Exactly Batteries!

But sadly I think too many people do see him as weak and ineffectual and he may well be ousted

I really hope not because I think he is the best hope we have for thoughtful, considered leadership with a politician who is in it for the people, not for the benefit of his own ego.

[birdsdestiny]

I don't want a leader of the Labour party who isn't that bothered about becoming pm. It's not a game.

[MiniCooperLover]

Very true Birds!

[SeaWitchly]

No birds I said he is not bothered about attaining the title of PM... except for the power it would give him in being able to achieve his goals and effect change.

I genuinely don't think he is ego driven as so many other politicians are. They dream of being PM for the benefit of their own ego not for the benefit of the electorate. BJ is a shining example of this breed of ego led politician.

[fleur34]

Totally unelectable. I'm a remain voter who has generally always voted Tory but I'm really hoping the Labour Party get their shit together with a decent leader so I can vote for them at the next GE. At the moment I just think they're all more awful that I ever imagined was possible! The prospect of bojo as pm and Gove as chancellor is terrifying.

British politics is a laughing stock.

[birdsdestiny]

I understood what you said. But he needs to be utterly driven to become pm to implement what he believes in. He needs to believe that he is the person to change the country for the better. He needs ego. I am sure he is a nice man but so what.

[peachpudding]

Was JC involved in the referendum campaign? the only time I saw him on TV was when he said he believed in unlimited numbers of immigrants coming into England.

Apart from boring he comes across as one of those old miners protesting against progress. It's so easy to be against everything, when is he going to be honest about what he is actually going to do? What would happen if he dismantled our defence forces? How is he going to get rid of our massive national debt? Sometimes I wonder if you should have to pass an intelligence test before you're allowed to become an MP.

[RortyCrankle]

Too funny. But please, please keep him as leader, he makes Labour unelectable.

[BungoWomble]

I think he's doing a reasonable job in a difficult time when people think 'strength' is measured by how much you are prepared to sacrifice poitical complexities for dumbed down media soundbites, and principles for lunging for power at any cost. A time when people think politics is all about grabbing power, not talking and negotiating.

He's done what I wanted him to, widened the political debate beyond the political excuses for austerity, opened it to participants other than just the grinning Eton media-friendly school boys. I do think the Remain campaign was appalling. He's not perfect by any means, but he's one of the few good'uns. I think you'd find he'd still get a lot of support outside London.

[SeaWitchly]

I am not sure I agree with you birds...

Yes, a PM needs a healthy ego and truly believe they are robust and intelligent enough for the job.

But no man is an island. He needs to have the vision for a brighter future for Britain, but as the leader of a team of people who share that vision and will ably assist him in achieving that.

I think those MPs opposing JC need to rethink their positions frankly.

We need a complete seachange from the egotistical, soundbite spouting career politician a la Cameron, BJ and Osbourne and JC is the integrity driven man to deliver this.

[SeaWitchly]

Apart from boring he comes across as one of those old miners protesting against progress.

Yes, because politics is all about entertainment and we need a politician who is entertaining like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage

[Motheroffourdragons]

I think he is a principled person but he is not pm material unfortunately. I didn't see him at all during this campaign. Whatever his views were he should have been explaining them. No, he needs to go now

[howtorebuild]

He's unelectable as PM. I voted for him, I am not sorry. I won't vote for him again.

[iniquity]

I just saw his speech after the referendum, it showed a real understanding as to why so many voted leave, an understanding that was lost on all the other politicians.

[BigChocFrenzy]

The No Confidence motion came after the shadow cabinet meeting Friday, in which he refused to tackle the issue that probably cost Labour the GE: their immigration policy
Like it or not, patrotism is popular and immigration is not.

He is not electable as PM; the country is not Islington.
Someone who doesn't want to sing the national anthem, who is offended by the UK flag - but was happy to attend Sinn Fein and Hamas rallies where other flags are waved - won't be elected PM of the UK unless Brexit really destroys the economy.

He has done so many things in the past that were offensive even as a backbencher.
e.g. how he campaigned to block the extradition of an IRA bomb-maker to the UK, how he praised hunger strikers and gave only criticism to the “British army of occupation in Ireland”.
Murdoch and the Tory Party won't have to resort to bacon sandwiches to embarass him

Dump this liability, or we'll live under Tory rule without end.

[OhGoveUckYourself]

I think the man is unelectable. A good leader needs to be a good listener, a good communicator and bring the various factions of the party together. Corbyn doesn't do that, he is divisive and Labour will never stand a chance of winning an election with him in charge. He needs to go sooner rather than later.

[jellybeans]

Agree with seawitchy. I thjnk he is a great man and a breath of fresh air.

And the alternatives? Chuka Umunna is a Blairite and won't go down well with the more left leaning members.

The bitterites haven't given JC a chance which is half the problem. They want to see him fail no matter what the cost.

[missymayhemsmum]

I think Jeremy Corbyn is a principled, thinking, honest man who talks a lot of sense but sadly, I don't think that Labour should go into a general election with him as leader.

Just interested, who in the PLP do you think could do a better job?

[AdoraKiora]

Conviction politics? He half heartedly backed Remain while being anti EU!

[A11TheSmallTh1ngs]

He should have backed Leave if that's what he really believed in. Half heartedly backing Remain is the EXACT OPPOSITE of conviction politics.

Oh, wait, he didn't want to stand down over it. So how is he better than the other politicians?

[howabout]

Just seen an extremely entitled late 30s southerner at Gay Pride ranting at JC to go because he didn't persuade his Northern powerbase to vote to support the interests of this particular individual. This is what the PLP sounds like and has done ever since JC was elected. If Labour wants a mandate outside London that is not the way to get it.

37% of Labour voters were Brexit and I believe they also need to win over most of the 14% UKIP electorate to win a GE. The first speech JC gave acknowledged the pressures of immigration on poorer areas and called for funding to follow people. This is a step in the right direction, but I get the feeling Labour London Luvvies don't want the North/South divide to close - in these circumstances the North may as well vote Conservative.

I think given the fact that about 500 MPs were pro remain on paper there needs to be a GE with proper Brexit manifestos. The change in PM adds weight to the argument. If the LP united behind JC they could have a proper Labour government by Christmas. Unfortunately the Blairites are not and never have been Labour imho.

[AdoraKiora]

'If the LP united behind JC they could have a proper Labour government by Christmas. '

Really?