I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

[AliceScarlett]

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

weightage for age, am i actually reading that shite?

do you always hold older people in such contempt? im embarassed for you.

" You wouldn't but how many others who have voted leave would, once Boris becomes Prime Minister? He's got a lot of people on his side because he appears to sympathise with worries about immigration."

I'd like to believe most people find out what they are actually voting for before putting a cross in the box. Misguided perhaps, but still...

Re. political shake-up, I think this will certainly have rocked the boat. Question is will people bother to vote come the next election? There seemed to be a level of apathy last time round - people didn't really believe anything anyone said, so why bother? (Just things I heard, not speaking from personal opinion). Agree there needs to be a concerted effort to get voters back on side (and try to encourage as high a turnout as for this referendum). I'm hoping this will have ignited something and we will start to see people become more politically motivated... And not just those who veer strongly to the right.

I'm not sure the research community would agree with you Lighteningirll

Loss of EU grants and loss of free movement allowing the beat people to work on specific research are just two ramifications of leaving supposed EU dominance of research

www.nature.com/news/researchers-reeling-as-uk-votes-to-leave-eu-1.20153

What could Corbyn have done? Its clear a large section of working class Britain (Labour heartlands) believe immigration causes their woes even when they live in areas with few migrants. They won't be told otherwise. Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall et al wouldn't fair any better.

Shariamom

I think it is very disingenuous to use the racist/bigot card.

A large part of our population feel disenfranchised. They do not feel they are being listened despite the sound bites of this government, so feel that this is was a way to democratically bring about change without the EU.

Shocking but then again democracy at its best. Although this the opposite of what I voted for, part of me feels quite proud that many people stood up for what they believe in.

Nobody owes you anything I don't need to tell you anything

BTW non white brit who wanted out
Its called not being a coward so not racism now get over yourselves

Britain bends over backwards for immigrants. Wanting to be firmer on it (like most other countries) doesn't make you a racist.

Agree completely with billsykesdog

As I said up thread, freedom of movement has been good for me but it's wrecked my hometown. The people I know who've voted out - I understand. It's no good lecturing people on immigrants tax take and calling them racist and thick. They have genuine concerns, and if you patronise them they're not going to vote for you.
A similar thing happened here in Sweden- any debate on immigration was stifled with cries of racism by the centrist parties. So people voted for the extreme right (who are extreme here, they make ukip look sane.)

I used to read and enjoy the guardian- now it disgusts me. It treats anyone outside the M25 as a thicko provincial and the working classes like some sort of charity case.

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Definition of racism. I don't see where it says not wanting millions of people descending on the country. The most culturally diverse areas voted leave.

I didn't vote as don't want to be part of something I didn't vote or ask for.

However, we are not going to get anywhere if everytime somebody mentions immigration as the reason, they are called racists.
Are the Australians racist? No, they just have tighter controls over their borders than we do.
Just because the rest of the country didn't go with the views of London there's no need to throw your dollies out of the pram.

On the plus side, people can say Corbyn is unelectable all they like - in the face of him being elected on a hugely popular vote so that's clearly Daily Heil spin - but I suspect if it came to a General Election, yet another Eton toff buffoon would be even more unelectable.

The left has to start whispering about Johnson being unelectable. Right now. So it is a commonplace by the time the tory party conference rolls round. ;o)

I find it interesting how the remain people don't understand the difference between racism and xenophobia. Most have issues with EU immigrants who are white as well.
Yet you call the leave camp uneducated... right.
Not everyday shout racism because you have no idea what racism is.

Sorry I know the thread convo has changed I'm replying to earlier post

Ghost I don't feel like he was visible or decisive or convincing at all and that meant the whole in/out was left so that it seemed to be a choice between one or the other bunch of Tory cunts. Not an appetising choice.

The tories don't represent me at all so I look to the leader of the Labour Party to speak out firmly and strongly put my his case forwards.

If I feel like my "good guys" are on one side or the other then that's a bit of shorthand pointing me towards a cause that might be good for me to support. Traditional Labour voters weren't able to hear their leader calling strongly and convincingly towards Remain IMO. And so that leads people to go on gut feel.

It's easy for me to say people should inform themselves with the wealth of information on the internet, the papers, the radio, when I sit at a desk in an office all day. It's easy for me to make time to find stuff out. I don't have to gird my loins to do it after I come home from a hard day's work doing something else.

Yes people are responsible for their own decisions and should critically analyse the situation, but when the leader of the party they'd naturally support isn't holding a metaphorical signpost saying "THIS WAY" it doesn't help.

I find interesting how the places with lots of migrants and people born in other countries (many of whom could not vote) voted to remain, and the places where there is an overwhelming majority of English born people (Sunderland for example) have voted to leave.

I voted leave because I disagree with the waste of the EU.

The food that can't be sold (and not just in the UK) and the monthly move to Strasbourg for example.

I also think the EU is headed for a financial disaster and we are better off in the long run leaving now.

Immigration is irrelevant to my vote.

Do you know what is really offensive?

Posters who insist on the rhetoric that those who have anything to say about economic migration:

"have an irrational fear of foreigners brown people"

With the fucking passive/aggressive crossed out 'brown people'.

It's fucking outrageous.
Please stop.

Birmingham, Boston, Leicester. All voted to leave. Have you been to any of them? Majority are not white English.

I blame the Remain campaign for not understanding what they needed to do to get buy-in from the voters

This - ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. They thought they'd win so didn't bother with the 'undecided' voters

Xenophobia is a form of racism.

Making distinctions between citizens and non citizens is not the same thing as xenophobia.

Thank you Mango, I completely agree. 17.4 million people voted to leave, I am certain there are plenty of brown people among them!

The referendum was a mess of the Tories making. It was not Corbyn's job to do Cameron's or Johnson's bidding. It is the Tories who have now - in the event of brexit - sold the people of this country down the river.

When the recession hits will we still be blaming "the last Labour government?"

ghost YY I don't say that any of the others would necessarily be any better either, but the Labour party needs to see what's gone wrong and do something different in the future.

I hope it's clear that I do not mean at all that the Leavers are "thicko provincials" who just needed to be made to understand what the Remainers meant!

The Remain campaign have been arrogant and complacent and haven't thought to care what the "ordinary" Leavers cared about.