I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

[AliceScarlett]

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

You simply could not replace the numbers of seasonal adult workers in agriculture with 14-18 yr olds during weekends and holidays.

I didn't ever say you could.

What I actually said was that the teens used to supplement the seasonal employees in the rush times.

That was as part of a post where I said that the teens (and low skilled school leavers) used to do the waiting, cleaning etc jobs.

You jumped on it and ran with me apparently waxing lyrical about hordes of teens revolutionising Cornish agriculture.

I am educated and I am far from a racist or xenophobe. It insults me how many people think Leave voters were voting because of Immigration.

But millions of them undoubtedly did vote based on immigration. You chose to vote with them. If the facts insult you, think about why that is.

I believe in the Switzerland and Norway business model.

But you claim you voted based on the pressure the EU places on our finances and resources. You do realise, don't you, that the Switzerland and Norway business models are based on allowing freedom of movement for EU citizens? And that if we go down the same route we will have to allow the same, with the difference that we will have no say on who becomes an EU citizen or the rules under which we trade with the EU?

Turkey will not join the EU for at least ten years

If ever, which I told him that. But no he was highly influenced by his work place whose biggest reason to leave was immigration and turkey

You know this thread is an interesting little demonstration of why Remain failed to attract the votes it needed.

Behind a very, very thin veneer of sympathy for those who were considering voting leave during the campaign, their attitude after the result shows their real attitude which wasn't even very well hidden during the campaign.

They view huge swathes of the country with absolute contempt. Their concerns, their fears, their aspirations - all sneered at. They're not interested in them, they view them as stupid, ignorant and unworthy.

All this pearl clutching horror at supposedly uneducated mobs of flag waving white Brits who are apparently now going to take to the streets in an immigrant bashing frenzy - the working classes know that's how you see them. Do you really expect them to come out and vote with people that they know see them as as an unimportant mass blob who should listen to their betters and know their place?

Honestly, the fact that people who are supposedly left wing come out with this bilge is so depressing. It sounds like the kind of crap the 19th century elite came out with to argue against a universal franchise.

Mary, I'm not a leave voter, but I am very concerned about the racism, ageism and hatred of working class people that I have seen during this campaign.

I've asked people to explain what they mean by uneducated because it concerns me that people may genuinely believe that a. our secondary education system is worthless and not an education at all and b. that's okay by them because ordinary/working class people/non graduate people don't need an education.

But I don't want to make an assumption about what they mean, which is why I am asking them to explain what they actually mean when they describe those who did not go on to higher education (so sometimes A level, very common in the past) as uneducated or poorly educated.

I have seen people on FB saying uneducated people should not be allowed to vote, and I'm finding these sentiments worrying.

Completely & wholeheartedly agree Bill.
It's gobsmackingly appalling.

Two American women being interviewed yesterday about the Presidential election where ripping the piss out of Southern States women.

In a democracy everyone's vote carries the same weight.

The call for a second referendum will probably come with a caveat that only people of a certain IQ and age range be allowed to vote.

I voted out because I saw lots of pictures of black people in France. They want to take over the Cotswolds,they live in hotels and I hate them.

No kid of mine is sitting next to a Muslamic in school.

( PARODY BTW)

JudyCoolibar

I haven't questioned anyone why they voted Remain. I gave my reasons

1 - How do you know what the percentage of Leave voters were racist or xenophobic? You are PRESUMING. Never presume
2 - The business model I believe in is that we can still trade with the EU as they do. Switzerland do 66% of their trade through the EU. I have not mentioned ANYTHING to do with the freedom of movement within these countries. As I said, I did not vote LEAVE because of Immigration. Freedom of movement is not the issue for me

Honestly, what a thread. Anyone else noticed how rude and presumptuous Remain voters can be - or is that just me?

I don't agree with some rules Europe enforce.

In agriculture farmers have to grow 3 crops. This has put a lot of farmers out of business. The potato farmers around here have to now also grow turnips and barley to comply. This costs them more in materials and equipment.

I also don't agree that the countries of Europe get priority over our fishing waters. There's less brutish fish because we're not allowed to fish our waters because others countries do it and sell it back to us!

They view huge swathes of the country with absolute contempt. Their concerns, their fears, their aspirations - all sneered at. They're not interested in them, they view them as stupid, ignorant and unworthy.

Many self proclaimed 'left leaning' posters on MN that 'call out benefits bashing' and many other noble things have shown their true distaste for the working classes today.

I agree that the critiques of working class intelligence are offensive. However, I would also point out that critiques of immigrants and particularly refugees as scroungers are offensive. Both sides have tended to kick those more vulnerable than themselves.

In totally random thoughts... I am wondering about a weighting of votes for age - so those who are youngest get more of a say, because they have to live with the consequences of any decision for longer. I think it would liven up politics quite a bit.

My decision was based on measured conversations I had with a variety of people. Immigration didn't even feature in my way of thinking and I'm offended by the pp's that claim the leave voters are racist.

I used to live in an area where fishing was the main industry (Brixham) and have personal friends who have been affected by EU ruling to the point where they hung up their nets because it was no longer a viable way to earn a living. Their Tuesday fish market used to be bustling, over 1000 boxes of fish for auction, now they're lucky to get 100 boxes to auction because the grip has tightened so much over the years.

My LL owns an agricultural estate and he has had grants from the EU but was dictated to as to how he could spend it. He couldn't spend the money on where it was actually needed.

Our steel industry is all but gone, our pub industry is still trying to drag their arsed out of the hole made by the EU smoking ban (we were the only country who abided by that EU law, that probably says more about our government though)

I had a chat with an 80 year old lady yesterday who voted into the original deal who was voting out. She said that the EU has turned into everything that they were promised it wouldn't.

Not everyone places importance on immigration, some people are able to look beyond that.

Holly, the whole debate has been vile. I agree it is not the problem of one side.

Shovetheholly, wrt the migrant workers I have always said that I would do exactly the same in their position - that is, move to a country where the average wage is almost double that if my own; you'd be daft not to.

It is the policy of unlimited free movement that is to blame, and the EU were never going to change that. Ever.

Most people I have spoken to about the migrant problem in rl, on FB & on MN have been of the same opinion.

Wrt refugees, well they're completely different - they need refuge and we should give it.

I do not like that we do not have overall control over our policies or laws of this country

But we DO!

Every EU regulation or law must be ratified by the national parliaments of member states. So the very government you think will rescue you from EU "control" was the one ratifying that control at a national level.

Mary, I'm not a leave voter, but I am very concerned about the racism, ageism and hatred of working class people that I have seen during this campaign. Exactly

A weighting for age? You're having a laugh right?

NewtoCornland
The UK smoking ban isn't based on EU law. We managed that one all by ourselves.

The steel industry has been shafted by cheap steel from China which isn't in the EU.

Of course they call out benefit bashing Mango! In their view the place of the working classes is as a client group of the left wing, dependent on them for the benefits hand outs on which they should rely and dutifully voting for a Labour government which will on the one hand dole out benefits but on the other hand pass policies which benefit their affluent metropolitan supporters economically.

The idea that working class people might actually quite like the idea of working for a fair wage and having opportunities for advancement and things like decent affordable housing without relying on benefits to pay for it is anathema to them.

The working classes are their to take handouts and show gratitude by shoring up the left wing elite.

"Working class people" aren't a race

Most of the EU migrants people are so het up about are working class.

I'm not a statistician, but you'd make it so, for example, an 18 year old's vote counts for 1.3 x that of a 85 year old. Or some margin that made it more significant, but still counted each vote. The modelling would have to be done by someone with way better command of Excel than I have!

Nobody said working class people were a race!

bet ISIS is loving this

Confused about the working class being a race too!