to be a little bit sad at this beauty salon leaflet

[hiraeth77]

I'll start by saying that I don't have any dds, so I accept I'm out the loop on this as it's a long time since I was a teenager, but AIBU to be a little bit sad that this beauty salon offers this as a thing, or just naive to think that this isn't part if their everyday lives, even at 13? Should we really be teaching them that make up = confidence? Genuinely curious as to whether I'm being a fuddy duddy or forgetting how grown up 13 yr olds actually are.

teens all tend to do the over-made-up rough look - I know I did it! Teaching those suffering with acne would be helpful, but otherwise the message should be 'your skin is the best it will ever be, why obscure it?'

and then that makeup is always optional, no-one really looks better with it so use it if you want, but don't be one of those people yelling 'I can't go out without makeup, I look dead'. High maintenance is very dull.

I think it is worded sympathetically and not all about clubbing makeup or anything, and a useful tutorial is a great idea.

I find it depressing but I find the whole industry depressing tbh

I need this too, have never worn make up as could never do it. I would have loved it as an unconfident teenager with Deirdre Barlow glasses and a bad perm. I'm 51 too!

I don't see how this is any different to a girl being shown by her mum or sister how to put on make up. Had my SIL not been able to show me I'd have been wearing lilac lipstick for more than one occasion as a teen. Thankfully she saw the products I'd bought and staged an intervention. I don't wear make up often and my twin girls have s different skin tone to me so one thing like this would be very helpful as one of mine (13yo) likes make up and is having to practise with you tube tutorials as I can't help with eyeliner etc.

I really would have appreciated such course, my mother was never into make up so being left to experimentation.... I was always not to standard or asked by my father to remove it before going out (It was the 80s so, and I was 12 so he really had a point).

What a great idea. I don't see the problem

I'm glad I'm not a lass these days

It's a fabulous idea. YABVU.

My DD is a swimmer. I would also have liked a 'bikini line' waxing for teens to be available ( she is older now so has that sorted but was v self conscious and did Veet etc aged 13 ish).

Skin care is part of the course and as a spotty, insecure teenager I'd have loved this. We had a generation gap with mum and her advice was old-fashioned and felt unhelpful.

We shouldn't need make-up to feel good but most young girls lack confidence and feel better with it, I know I did, though we weren't allowed it at school. As we get older we find that less means more and we don't need to put it on with a trowel. Most of us look better if we make a little effort.

i don't think it will necessarily increase the confidence of all teenage girls but a lot of them will want to wear makeup, better that they can apply it properly if they're going to use it

it totally depends how it's done IMO.

I got something similar for DD1 for her birthday- it wasn't a "package" like this one, but I went to speak to the beautician beforehand and explained I'd like her to teach technique, what the different brushes are for and how to look after them... and did say (though I was preaching to the converted) that I wanted DD to know her skin is actually perfect atm - it's what people are trying to achieve when they put on foundation!

You see so many young girls with half a ton of make up on, looking a bit ridiculous if I'm honest - I wanted DD to know how to do it properly, since she has already shown a lot of interest in wearing it, and I'm not at all qualified to teach her (I'm of the lipstick only if I'm on a night out brigade!).

I think there's nothing wrong in make up at all, if it's fun and creative. It doesn't float my boat personally, but I can understand how some people love it (just look at the S&B boards here). And 13 really is old enough... it all starts at senior school or even before, IME.

I read it as 'confidence in applying makeup' as opposed to confidence full stop.

If you'd never applied makeup before you likely would lack confidence in doing so.

A bit like a driving lesson can give someone confidence in learning to drive.

I think you've read too much into it OP

I think it should be aimed at 'Make-up Beginners' - whatever the age group

And I detest the implied link with 'confidence' - what, you cannot be confidence with out make-up? or you'd be more confident if only you knew how to apply make-up competently??

IMO make-up should be for fun and not an added thing to put pressure on young girls because they might get 'wrong' - surely blue eyeshadow and white eyeliner is a rite of passage!

Lilac
" My dd wears a tiny bit of makeup but is extremely confident because I've taught her since she was tiny that how she looks matters less than how she behaves and treats others. She knows I think she's beautiful as she is and she's incredibly compassionate and loving, which means a lot more than her fucking eyebrows looking good."
This is shockingly naïve and smug: do you really think that all girls who lack confidence in their appearance as teens are a result of parents who tell them that they only matter for their looks? We live in a beauty- obsessed society where our own influence is heavily diluted by peers, media etc. Obviously we all do what we can to boost inner confidence but I think most of us understand than unfortunately, for some, this may not be enough? I certainly give my DDs that message, but I have yet to find out whether it will be enough to instil self-confidence in them as teens with all the other competing messages that they have to face.

It's a lovely idea. Many years ago now we fostered a 13 year old who had been badly neglected, had poor hygiene, no confidence and was bullied at school. First week we let her have her hair cut and highlighted (subtly) and get some skincare and make up advice. She felt good because she looked good and age appropriate at school. It did her confidence no end of good.

Mid 40s, still got shit skin, still have no idea how to wear make-up. Yep, it would have been great for me as long they're not promoting the heavy make up look.

Of course YANBU OP. My children (male or female) won't get their confidence form slap. FFS

I have an Aunt 11 years older than me i stayed with her and my uncle for a week when my parents are away she showed me how to put make up on and bought me a few bits my stepdad said i looked like a hoor really knocked me for 6

One thing I've noticed recently is that there is far more emphasis on makeup than there used to be, and the make-up techniques remind me a lot of stage/screen make-up.

I think it has a lot to do with the rise of social media and how dominant that is in teenage life now. Learning the skill of proper make-up application really can make a huge difference to how social media pictures look.

Have noticed a lot of teenagers lately who look and move like filmstars- they have been constantly on camera since they were tiny and have learned what suits them clothes/hair/make-up wise, their best angles etc.

I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing in itself, but social media is here to stay and is a huge part of both social and professional life now, so anything that helps people feel confident and able to deal with that is a good thing.

I would have loved that. And yes, I started using make up at 12-13, like the vast majority of girls I knew. I had pimples, red spots and acne scars already so I really did need the confidence from a bit of make up.

I have taken dd2 to one of these for the skincare. Her skin is very different to mine (where as dd1 has very similar skin) and I did not know how to aid her in ensuring she did not end up with damaged skin (She has terrible acne _ I have only ever had 2 spots at the same time dd1 is the same) It was a real help for her. they also spoke to her about how to add the make up and what not to do to make it so she wasnt clogging up to make her acne worse. Money well spent. 3 years on and she is the one of us who is best able to put on makeup. Does it beautifully (in fact I wish I could put it on as well as she can) Never looks over the top with her make up though you can see she is wearing it.

If dd3 ever gets any sort of interest in make up (age 12 and so far rolls her eyes - if anything she will likely go Emo/Grunge) I will take her along too

So overall I think it is a good idea