to be a little bit sad at this beauty salon leaflet

[hiraeth77]

I'll start by saying that I don't have any dds, so I accept I'm out the loop on this as it's a long time since I was a teenager, but AIBU to be a little bit sad that this beauty salon offers this as a thing, or just naive to think that this isn't part if their everyday lives, even at 13? Should we really be teaching them that make up = confidence? Genuinely curious as to whether I'm being a fuddy duddy or forgetting how grown up 13 yr olds actually are.

[MrsJayy]

All the girls are on you tube watching tutorials dds make up is immaculate and not overdone she watches the tutorials

[Thurlow]

YAB a little U. If your daughter starts wearing make up, surely it's better to let her learn how to apply it well rather than slapping on the aforementioned blue eyeshadow and foundation five times too dark?

I'll admit to being a bit at first when I saw these packages, but mainly because they start at 5. Then I thought about how much my own 4yo DD would love to be spoiled and pampered like a grown up with a manicure though I'm far too tight to pay for it and think, as a treat, it's probably not that bad.

The thing is, many women wear make up, nail polish, perfume etc. If kids grow up seeing their mum putting on their face most morning, even if it's just a slick of mascara and BB cream, we can't expect them not to be interested at all.

[tiffyfanny]

Reading it, I thought how great! until I got to the last line

[GarlicSteak]

It kicked in at 15 for me. I bought and stole some of Rimmel's finest, a stack of teen magazines, and discussed techniques with school friends.

I can't see that it'd be much different for today's girls - they'd be looking at tutorials on YouTube as well, surely?

I've noticed that those of my friends with a salon habit, book their daughters in at the same time from a very young age. By age 7 they're having a blow dry and manicure, and are getting makeup and pamper parties by 12. It makes me feel a bit squirmy but that's because of the wider feminist issues - to the girls, they're being "just like mummy" and getting quality time ... and learning how to perform femininity under patriarchy, which is exactly what I was doing with my Rimmel.

[mylovegoesdown]

Great idea. It would perhaps have prevented me from either looking like a Geisha or an orange faced (but not neck) thick- foundationed weirdo as a teenager.

[Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost]

My DD has been wearing make up full face since she was 11.
I OTOH was still playing with dolls at that age and still believed in Father Christmas at that age.
It's just different generations.

[steff13]

I did something like this when I was 12. My mom signed me up before I started Junior High School. They taught me how to apply makeup, what colors were appropriate for my coloring, etc. I've found it very helpful over the years.

I never had a problem with acne, but I'd imagine a girl who did would benefit from instruction on how to properly care for her skin, and cover acne.

[purplefizz26]

I think people are getting the wrong idea from the word 'confidence'. I understand it to mean confidence applying makeup not gaining confidence because of wearing makeup.

General skincare will hopefully get them into good habits and ensure their skin is well looked after.

Makeup is not the work of the devil. While it's not VITAL it does give some people a boost, especially teenagers with bad skin, makeup is a part of every day life for many people so why not get into good habits early?

What harm is there in teaching teenagers how to apply it properly? If they are going to wear it anyway, i would rather they be shown by a professional than have orangey blotchy faces and hideous eyeliner!

Eyebrow makeover is a fab idea for teens. I don't understand parents who insist on teens keeping monobrows. If they wish to have their eyebrows tidied up and shaped, why not? Stopping them will eventually result in plucking and making a real mess of them.

[skivvywoman]

I think that's brilliant and if Defo take dd (11) there

For her birthday all she asked for was mac makeup so I took her to department store to get it matched to her skin, I think when they want to start wearing makeup something like this is good as I personally don't wear makeup so can't teach her!

[AlanPacino]

At school, surrounded by fresh-faced, carefully made up beauties,

But isn't this the route of the problem. What if you're not naturally 'a looker'. Why should you feel you have to jump through hoops. Why can't girls just choose the amount they want to wear , loads or none?

[MaQueen]

DDs are 12 & 13 and they both wear a bit of make up. Usually just BB cream, touch of concealer and mascara. It's no big deal, most of their friends wear much more (with some hilarious results, I must say). Then again I spent my formative teen years wearing electric blue eyeliner&mascara and Rimmel Plum lipgloss FFS...

Both DDs had plenty of confidence before they discovered Boots No. 17, ta very much.

I'm just about to upgrade DD1 to a tinted foundation, and I'm actually investing in a Chanel one for her, because I can't bear to see the nasty, orangey, chalky finish that some of her friends sport.

[GarlicSteak]

Why can't girls just choose the amount they want to wear , loads or none?

They can

[hiraeth77]

Fair enough all. Seems like general consensus is that I'm reading too much into it. Some of your points make me feel better about it, so thanks for that. Just seems that kids grow up so fast nowadays. Making I'm forgetting how young I was when I taught myself the Vaseline, then brown eyeliner used as lip liner, smudged so it wasn't too harsh, before finishing the lips with some rimmel heather shimmer! It was a classy look! Thankfully I (probably) won't have to worry about it with two boys. Just have to convince them to wear jeans that are somewhere inbetween the ones that fall down and show their pants and the skinny ones which look sprayed on!

[steff13]

What would you all do if you had a DD who didn't want to wear make up?
If my daughter absolutely refused, I wouldn't make her do it. But, I'd encourage her to do it. Most women wear makeup at some point in their lives, and there's value in knowing how to apply it correctly, IMO. If she never wears it, she never wears it, but if she ever wants to at least she's familiar with it.

[Fluffycloudland77]

I think looking groomed is never a bad thing.

Make up was shit in the 90's compared to now, young girls today have it made compared to then.

My mum would never have let me get my eyebrows done and I was bullied for my mono brow by other girls in my class who were allowed to pluck etc.

It knocked my confidence for years.

[FlyingElbows]

Usual as I've already said I have an almost 18 year old who doesn't wear make up. What would I do? I don't understand the point of your question.

[steff13]

My mum would never have let me get my eyebrows done and I was bullied for my mono brow by other girls in my class who were allowed to pluck etc.

My daughter is only 5, but she already has a uni-brow. We just shave it for now so she has two eyebrows, but I'll take her to get them waxed when she's older, if she wants.

[lem73]

Draenor I had a similar experience and when I had my dd (7) I said to myself that I would never do that to her. I would definitely sign her up for something like that. I don't want her to feel like I did.

[BagelGoesWalking]

It is depressing in a way but good for a lot of reasons pointed out already.

My DD is 16 and has learnt all/most of her makeup skills from YouTube videos. Thankfully, it's usually just a bit of concealer, mascara and eyeliner. She certainly couldn't learn anything from me as I don't really wear makeup except under-eye concealer.

Luckily, she's completely avoided the "clown" makeup phase that a lot of her peers go through, she has a cousin who did used to lay it on with a trowel (and sometimes still does) so I think that gave her a good lesson in the "less is more" technique. Ditto her dress sense (I'm very lucky!)

Laughed when I saw your latest post - I'm sure I had Rimmel Heather Shimmer too!

[hiraeth77]

They still sell heather shimmer too! I was amazed.

[ghostyslovesheep]

and I have an almost 12 year old with terrible acne :(

Try walking a mile through high school in her shoes and tell me make up doesn't help - it does her - she has medication to keep it under control but really nasty scaring

I hate the judgy attitudes here sometimes - she FEELS BETTER with a bit of make up - glad some of your children never had to deal with acne

[ConkersDontScareSpiders]

They're going to do it anyway-probably badly copying zorilla or whatever.i actually think it's not a bad idea.

[JackandDiane]

you are vvv out of the loop OP