Euro 16 - they should ban the countries involved in fighting

[Sherlocked1606]

Having watched the news the past few nights it's seems clear some fans have just gone to France to cause trouble.

Yes the English fans were attacked/provocted today however they were very much the instigators yesterday.

Surely Russian, France and England football teams should be disqualified from the tournament. Same goes for any other teams who's fans cause trouble.

At least 1 England fan is seriously injured potential life threatening. I've seen footage of Russian fans stamping on English fans, throwing chairs. Water cannons, tear gas. Enough is enough, it's only football.

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

I've witnessed French policing tactics too. They really need to rethink their strategies - violent and yet still ineffective.

[WelshMoth]

Hurry yes am glad also however we are playing both England and Russia as we're in the same table as them. That worries me greatly.

[nonamenopackdrill]

Can we stop these large groups of single men who show no understanding of local culture from travelling to the UK?

[Sherlocked1606]

Your right many of the people fighting are not real football fans but that is how it looks.

That God Scotland has a shite football team

I just hate the idea that someones loved one is killed or seriously injured due to the fighting.

The French police are so busy dealing with this that Daesh may have more chance to do something. That is who we should be fighting against.

[WelshMoth]

The French police are so busy dealing with this that Daesh may have more chance to do something. That is who we should be fighting against.

YY ^^

[Lweji]

Can we stop these large groups of single men who show no understanding of local culture from travelling to the UK?
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Wrong thread?

[mollie123]

travel bans for the culprits would no doubt be against their human rights as they may be travelling to go on holiday abroad.

[Lweji]

Travel is not a right, it's a privilege.

[VestalVirgin]

I am in favour of banning the football in general. Yes, that's bad for the real fans, but the police has more important things to do at the moment.

Football requires so much police work, it is just not reasonable to have this while there's also trouble with male immigrants who can't behave.

The police doing some policing the immigrants would lead to increased trust in the police's ability to protect us from violent males, and that would lead to a more welcoming culture.
I sort of think that's more important than football. (Of course that should not be the official government statement on why there will be no more football. THAT could just be "Sorry, fans can't behave themselves. Either you pay for security yourself, or no more football."

[Oblomov16]

I suspect Russian thugs are the problem here. But it was also reported that French fans attacked peaceful English fans, throwing chairs etc.
I can't believe all English fans are completely angelic here either!!

But have you all seen the video of the French police beating the supporter laying on the ground? It's horrific. This is actually the French POLICE that are blame. There are no excuses for the police doing that.

[ThisisMrsNicolaHicklin]

I feel really sorry for the English fans, they can't go to these tournaments and just have a laugh because these violent bastards are always riding their coat tails. Although, as a Scot, it would probably increase our chances of qualification somewhat, its just not fair on the vast majority to ban the whole country.

Its interesting that the Scots ( on the rare occasions we qualify) don't have problems with violence on this scale. Its doesn't seem to be an alcohol thing, because lets face it as a culture we're well known for drinking, nor a violence thing, ditto with the alcohol.
There is a whole 'screw the nut' culture with the Tartan Army where its frowned upon to do things that would damage their good reputation. I think it might also help that we are shite and have been for decades.

[ThisisMrsNicolaHicklin]

Actually, on reflection, the whole thing is a reputation problem. The poor English fan are being attacked because they have a reputation for violence caused by all the rubbish in the 70s and 80s and reinforced by the wee jobbies tailing them about these days. Once again can't help feeling sorry for them. I don't know how you would sort it out, the FA and the travelling support made great strides towards making it better over the last 20 years or so, hopefully this is a blip.

[Zampa]

If you're on Twitter, do have a look of the feeds of;

@cliffordstott
@joelrookwood
@Geoff_Pearson

They're academics, interested in crowd control and football. Geoff was just on 5 live talking about the matter.

It's clear to me that the vast majority of England fans are entirely innocent.

To paraphrase Reg Burr, football is a convenient coat peg for society to hang its social ills on. This isn't really just about football.

[lalalalyra]

I think that UEFA need to have a look at themselves as well. Sending England back to Marseille, where they had serious run-ins with police before, was a stupid decision. Especially when you then add the Russian element into the mix.

The security in France is jittery so over reactions from them should have been expected (and from what I've heard from a friend who lives in France have occurred) which has just inflamed the situation.

There doesn't seem to have been a lot of planning, which is completely random. Last time I went to a big football tournament there was specific areas attracting each set of fans when there was a match that may have got volatile. There was a cordon closer to the stadium whereby you had to have a ticket - keeping the people who were just there to drink and cause trouble away from the stadium area.

That said looking at the post-match scenes last night it seems that the in-stadium segregation was completely ineffective as well. Which is extremely worrying, especially as there had been trouble before so it's not like it was unforseen.

I've already told DH, DS and DD that they can absolutely forget attending the World Cup in Russia. Can only imagine how much worse than this it will be.

[MyLlamasGoneBananas]

Alot of the trouble is caused by people who are not proper fans. They turn up for the fighting more than the match.

Sadly England's shot hooligan reputation acts like a red flag to a bull. Other hooligans from other countries see England fans as fair game for violence. The really sad part is the genuine fans that travel and get caught up in it all.

The lack of publicity is because they are trying not to make football about the violence like it was a few years back. The less publicity these hooligans get the better.

It's shameful and sad all round.

[popmimiboo]

I live in France and just watched the news. What is probably not shown in the British media is the devastation of the town.
Some bar/ café owners closed up early as soon as the first signs of trouble started. They were anxious about the English being there in the first place and preferred to lose an evenings takings than risk having their businesses smashed up.
Others were busy trying to clean up, throw away broken tables and chairs, sweep up smashed glass and fill out insurance papers.
Boat owners were all out in the port, dredging the water to clear out cans, bottles and other rubbish.

The police have enough to deal with and should not have been put into the position of wasting resources on these idiots. They are used to dealing with gun/ gang culture in Marseille, not drunken yobs.

YANBU OP, maybe getting tough this time would be the wake up call the FA need.

[derxa]

That God Scotland has a shite football team You're certainly right there. Hibs and Rangers fans didn't cover themselves in glory after the Scottish cup.
You can't punish a national team for the actions of so called supporters outside of a football ground. They could have been anybody dressed in team shirts and rioting.
As for the Scottish football team

[WreckingBallsInsideMyHead]

I know alcohol is a relatively small factor compared to hooliganism but perhaps a late kick off doesn't help? By 9pm people have been drinking for up to 12 hours, their judgement and reaction to inflammatory situations are bound to be affected.

[WelshMoth]

WreckingBall that is a very good point.

[Lweji]

It's only a good point for fans who find nothing better to do than drink all day.
Why is it a problem for some countries but not others?

[Cocolepew]

Russian fans (Ultra?) have attacked Northern Irish fans so its not too hard to believe they set upon the English fans as well.

[twittwooery]

Just to point out also, it's not just men, flicked onto sky sports news when I heard there was more trouble before kick off, and a woman started a mass of trouble by throwing a glass cup or a couple of them into a crowd

[twittwooery]

And it's other countries mostly attacking England whilst they aren't innocent most of the publicised things showing England, witnesses have said they were fine until others started on them. Including a cafe owner, which they were getting blamed for. Either way Russia have been threatened with disqualification and I think there's mixed messages if England have. I think it's decided Tuesday

[HelenaDove]

Just seen coverage on Channel 4 news. Where the fuck are they getting fireworks/flares from.

[fassone]

I was caught in the middle of Charleroi riots by English 'fans' in 2000. It was awful. I felt very sorry fit the true supporters.