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Aibu not to pay more maintenance?

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Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 04:14

Name changed for this.

ExH and I split up when ds was 4. He has remarried and has a couple more kids. I live with dp and my DD who is 18. Ex is the rp as he didn't work when we were together.

I have my ds three weekends out of four and two extra midweek days in those four weeks. I also have him extra weeks during the holidays etc. It works out he spends over a third of his time with me.

I pick ds up at 6pm on a Friday and drop him to school on Monday morning. DS doesn't do any out of school activities during the week but I do try to take him out at least once over the weekend. We go bowling, soft play, wildlife centres, fun fairs etc. I try to vary it and he has a friend we meet up with too.

Ex doesn't seem to do anything similar with him on his weekend. Although they do go on holiday every other year and also does a big day out (Chessington etc) with him once or twice a year. I haven't had a holiday in years.

I provide a full wardrobe of clothes for ds when he is here. He needs as many toys/electronics/bits of random crap here as he actually probably spends more leisure time with me. He has bikes, scooters etc at both houses.

Financially dp and I are struggling due to being made redundant four times between us and periods off work due to illness. Our income has dropped by 40% since dp moved in with me six years ago. We make ends meet every month but I am still paying off debts built up from when I was with ex.

Ex earns about £28,000. I earn £21,000. I had to take a significant pay drop six months after we split up.

Ex gets the child benefit and used to get tax credits, but that was a few years ago so I don't know if he and his wife are still entitled to anything. They have a couple of children together now as well so the new wife fits some part time work in when ex isn't at work. They don't pay for any childcare. They have two cars and are currently saving up for a big holiday skiing, just to give you a picture of their finances. I would think they are fairly comfortable financially.

I pay half of uniform costs, school trips etc. I organise and pay for his birthday parties.

I give ex £100 a month. It sounds really tight but it really is all I can afford right now. I even paid the same amount when I was on statutory sick pay for months and also when I struggled to find work after two redundancies.

But when I think about it, he gets at least £170 a month extra for being the rp. I still need to provide a room, heating, electric etc for ds. Ds has his own room at my house and shares with his little brother at his dads. All other costs are paid 50/50. Ex feeds dw for a few extra days but I pay for most of his weekly entertainment. I probably spend about £80 a month on our trips out.

Do you think our arrangement is fair or am I paying too little?

OP posts:
Janecc · 11/06/2016 11:53

I think the money is the least of your concerns.

clarrrp · 11/06/2016 12:00

*I don't want to put ds in the position where he has to tell his dad he wants to spend less time with him.
*

Except it wouldn't be your son making that decision would it? It would be you. And to even suggest that your son would have to be the one to make ti sound like he doesn't want to spend so much time with his dad is cowardly and really really shitty.

It also wasn't helping my DD when ex started hiding her stuff, searching through her room and reading her diary. He would make her stay in her room after school for the smallest transgression (eg brushing her hair outside of the bathroom! )started talking to her like dirt and at the end screaming at her until she ran away scared one day. I had the needs of two kids to balance.

And yet you still thought it was better to let this man be the resident parent? Hmmmmmm.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 12:04

He hasn't been like it so far and DD and I are watching out for any signs.

He fell head over heels in love with ds and started favouring him obviously. When I tried to reason with him he couldn't see what he was doing. This caused arguments which he blamed on DD so he started getting more and more resentful to her which caused more arguments. He wasn't working so would sit and stew on things all day.

Ds tells me when he has been in trouble with his dad and it all seems fairly normal stuff.

If I thought he was treating ds badly he would be out of there. At the moment ds is very well behaved, I am looking out for issues as he heads towards teenage years and starts being more challenging.

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Lweji · 11/06/2016 12:10

The problem with waiting is that by the time he needs go be out, he could have been too conditioned.
Maybe even in relation to women.

At least make sure he knows you'll have him in a heartbeat and that he doesn't have to put up with abusive behaviour.

RosieSW · 11/06/2016 12:17

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Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 12:22

He knows that he can always come here. He is the apple of his dad's eye and always has been but if that changes ds knows he can always confide in me.

The youngest child still shares a room with ex and the new wife. I am hoping that when the baby is too big to share with ex it might make it easier for him if ds spends more time here.

Ex is an arsehole, he changed massively after ds was born. In the circumstances this was the best solution for ds. Changing the status quo is not easy, especially when you can't reason with the ex at all. He is still very bitter about the divorce and was always one to hold a grudge.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 12:24

I would be very careful. He could be displaying narcissistic traits with DD scapegoat and ds golden child. It is very very difficult to extricate yourself from a narcissist parent. I have a narcissistic parent so I know. Even if he isn't overtly abusing your ds in the way he was abusing your daughter, he could be causing untold damage in other ways. I suggest you maybe have a read about narcissism online. There is plenty of good stuff.

Ineedmorelemonpledge · 11/06/2016 12:29

Oh no Op, what a difficult situation for you. Flowers

How is the relationship with your DD and your ex now? Does she see him? Did he pay maintenance for her?

Or did you pay for your DD independently?

Just because DD is 18 it doesn't mean that she costs nothing! If she's in college for example.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 12:36

Dd and I are amazingly close. I got £15.00 in total from her dad since we split up and so have always paid everything for her. She doesn't see her dad or ex. She hates ex with a passion.

She is doing an apprenticeship at the moment so doesn't contribute to the household financially and I still have to help her out at times.

She loves her little brother more than anyone else in the world. She is also watching for any little sign that ds is unhappy at his dads. At the moment he prefers to be here because we pay him more attention rather than being unhappy at his dads.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 12:39

unhappy at his dads. You say you're watching for signs of him being unhappy and then you imply in the last sentence he's unhappy at his dad's.

I'm confused.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 12:47

He isn't unhappy at his dad's. He loves his siblings and he is settled. Obviously though ex has other kids to share his time with. The younger ones obviously have needs that take his dad's time and attention.

When ds is with me he is the only one I have to look after. This means that he can choose what film we watch, play chess with me, activities are based around his interests as I don't have two younger ones to consider. So he is happy at both homes but prefers it here.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 13:06

Ok that's great. Just please think about what I said about narcissism. If he is a golden child, this also isn't a nice position to be in.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 13:09

I will have a read, thank you.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 13:23

I hope all turns out well Flowers

clarrrp · 11/06/2016 13:37

*He isn't unhappy at his dad's. He loves his siblings and he is settled. Obviously though ex has other kids to share his time with. The younger ones obviously have needs that take his dad's time and attention.

When ds is with me he is the only one I have to look after. This means that he can choose what film we watch, play chess with me, activities are based around his interests as I don't have two younger ones to consider. So he is happy at both homes but prefers it here.*

This worries me greatly.

If you read it back from the POV of a stranger it basically reads 'son is settled and happy at partners but I want more time / less financial responsibility and so I spoil him when he is here'

What would you tell someone else in your shoes?

Your son is happy and settled and gets to spend time with his other siblings. You need to think very carefully about your real reasons for dragging him away from that - and sadly, and I REALLY hope I am wrong, but given the nature of this post a LOT of those reasons seem to be financial ones rather than maternal ones.

Welshmaenad · 11/06/2016 13:37

Is your ex happy with your maintenance payment? If it works for you all and you're happy, I wouldn't stress. Has he indicated he would like you to pay more?

I'm the RP for my 2 DC and my ex doesn't pay maintenance, which was my choice. I manage financially and he would struggle to pay it plus maintain a home and treat the kids when they're with him. He's a great dad and has the children at least 2 nights a week so whilst other people might have opinions on him not paying, it works for us.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 15:15

clarrrp it isn't that I spoil him on purpose, it is just the situation. Realistically I am not going to make ds watch Thomas The Tank Engine as it doesn't appeal to him or me. At his dad's he naturally has to share tv time.

I don't have to share my time between anyone else as he is my youngest. The flip side is that , ds hasn't got anyone to play with here apart from me whereas at dads he has adoring siblings to join in his games. The set up is different, both have benefits and disadvantages.

I'm not trying to win him away from his dad, I am just trying to make my time with him enjoyable and be the best mum I can.

Wanting more time with ds is nothing to do with money. I would like to get more involved with his school etc and I miss him when he isn't here.

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Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 15:32

Welshmaenad I don't really know what he thinks as he refuses to talk to me apart from over text. He has hinted vaguely a couple of times about more money but never actually asked. I have always paid my half for anything he has asked me to contribute to.

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SquinkiesRule · 11/06/2016 15:38

I think you should start saving your money to go to court to get 50/50 access. No reason you can't have that and it would benefit your Ds too. Equal time with both parents is a good thing.

Janecc · 11/06/2016 15:41

I do think squinkies is right, unfortunately. I know that isn't something you want to do.

And if in the meantime, the baby needs to move in to their own bedroom, things may be decided for you and you'll have a bit of cash for a treat for you and DD and ds.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 15:46

Also moving to 50/50 wouldn't be dragging him away from his siblings, it would mean me having him for three extra days over four weeks. I have always wanted 50/50 but only want to risk rocking the boat now because ds has said he wants to be here more. I am not going to reduce the amount of attention I give ds because his dad can't do the same. "No ds, we can't play scrabble because your dad would be busy putting the baby to bed now so it wouldn't be fair for me to take advantage of his extra responsibilities?".

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Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 15:51

It would be better if he would agree without the nastiness that court proceedings will bring. I just need to work out how to approach it. If I have to go to court I will but it would result in ds being affected by the fall out.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 16:02

Three extra days is nothing. I know it's calculated on nights for child support.

Sorry I'm not good on manipulating people into believing it is their idea.

Has ds or will ds soon be doing sats in yr 6? Could be an own space study case to be made - would that sort of thinking interest ur ex?

Lweji · 11/06/2016 18:02

How is 50-50 only 3 extra days?

You have him 3 nights over the weekend but effectively 2,5 days.

You'd need two full weeks every four, or 3 or 4 nights alternating.

peachpudding · 11/06/2016 18:04

I find this thread a bit upsetting. Having experience of a similar situation I read the posts imagining the op was a man talking about contributing to the mother with residence. TBF if the op was a man he would have been crucified on MN. So a lot of hypocrisy here.

£100 a month is the price of a co-op sandwich a day. What does the CMA calculator say you should pay?

What I am hearing is a lot of excuses.

I can't pay a fair share because I want to support my adult child at college who pays no rent.

I can't pay a fair share because I paid for my DC to have a haircut.

I can't pay a fair share because I want to want to spend money on tombolas and inflatables at the weekend.

And the worst of all, I can't pay a fair share because I paid maintenance when I was unemployed. As if somehow children stop having expenses, when one parent is unemployed.

This is your child, if you can't pay for their upkeep then get a second job, get your adult child to pay rent. Its your responsibility to contribute to your childs upbringing until they are 18.