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Aibu not to pay more maintenance?

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Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 04:14

Name changed for this.

ExH and I split up when ds was 4. He has remarried and has a couple more kids. I live with dp and my DD who is 18. Ex is the rp as he didn't work when we were together.

I have my ds three weekends out of four and two extra midweek days in those four weeks. I also have him extra weeks during the holidays etc. It works out he spends over a third of his time with me.

I pick ds up at 6pm on a Friday and drop him to school on Monday morning. DS doesn't do any out of school activities during the week but I do try to take him out at least once over the weekend. We go bowling, soft play, wildlife centres, fun fairs etc. I try to vary it and he has a friend we meet up with too.

Ex doesn't seem to do anything similar with him on his weekend. Although they do go on holiday every other year and also does a big day out (Chessington etc) with him once or twice a year. I haven't had a holiday in years.

I provide a full wardrobe of clothes for ds when he is here. He needs as many toys/electronics/bits of random crap here as he actually probably spends more leisure time with me. He has bikes, scooters etc at both houses.

Financially dp and I are struggling due to being made redundant four times between us and periods off work due to illness. Our income has dropped by 40% since dp moved in with me six years ago. We make ends meet every month but I am still paying off debts built up from when I was with ex.

Ex earns about £28,000. I earn £21,000. I had to take a significant pay drop six months after we split up.

Ex gets the child benefit and used to get tax credits, but that was a few years ago so I don't know if he and his wife are still entitled to anything. They have a couple of children together now as well so the new wife fits some part time work in when ex isn't at work. They don't pay for any childcare. They have two cars and are currently saving up for a big holiday skiing, just to give you a picture of their finances. I would think they are fairly comfortable financially.

I pay half of uniform costs, school trips etc. I organise and pay for his birthday parties.

I give ex £100 a month. It sounds really tight but it really is all I can afford right now. I even paid the same amount when I was on statutory sick pay for months and also when I struggled to find work after two redundancies.

But when I think about it, he gets at least £170 a month extra for being the rp. I still need to provide a room, heating, electric etc for ds. Ds has his own room at my house and shares with his little brother at his dads. All other costs are paid 50/50. Ex feeds dw for a few extra days but I pay for most of his weekly entertainment. I probably spend about £80 a month on our trips out.

Do you think our arrangement is fair or am I paying too little?

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Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 10:49

I do pay over the minimum and I also continued to pay when I was out of work which I didn't legally have to do. He hasn't outright asked for more money but does hint occasionally.

I wouldn't drop the amount, I am managing to pay it and wouldn't want to make waves to save a couple of quid.

I don't want to be a Disney parent but feel I should do things with ds at the weekends or he would rarely go anywhere. I would love to have lazy weekends to be honest, soft play is my idea of hell. We also play board games, football, badminton etc. It isn't about buying his affection it is so he socialises and has fun. It was easier when he was younger as the park and a picnic was a cheap and fun way to spend a Sunday. It costs a bit more to do the activities that interest him now.

I have asked to move to 50/50 care but so far he has been totally against it. I haven't got the money to take it to court and even if I did the bad feeling it would cause would be awful for ds. At the moment it is an uneasy truce, but arguments do flair up quickly with him. He loves ds but does tend to drag him into any arguments that happen.

I don't resent him having more money than me, I was only trying to explain that ds was not going without. I don't resent his new family and make an effort to be positive about the new wife. When ds isn't getting along so well with her I try to act as the peacemaker, explaining why he has to listen to her and be polite.

I just wanted an outsiders view as sometimes it is hard to see objectively from the inside.

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Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 10:58

PaulDacreCuntyMcCuntFace you are in the right ball park. There were also other reasons financially and logistically why this set up meant ds could still have regular contact with both parents.

It was the worst moment of my life making the decision to leave, it would have been easier for me to go for residence but it would have broke ds world apart.

I have also had to live with people who don't know the full facts judging me. I know I did what was best for ds but I don't want to share the reasons with every random I meet.

If I was a dad having my child the same amount people would act like I was a superhero. I get people looking at me as if I am an alcoholic, unstable or just don't give a fuck about my son. All I am trying to do is minimise any negative affects the situation causes to ds.

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JessicaRabbit3 · 11/06/2016 11:02

paul* I ask as it seems OP especially her last post wants more time with her DS. So was interested how the set up came to be. OP if your Ex is working F/T now I don't see why 50/50 is off the cards as he is no longer a sahd.Why should it not be split between you. Utilmately if he's working F/T and his DW part time she will be doing the lion share of childcare for your DS which if your available why shouldn't you have the time with your DS. Would mediation be an option for you to explore?

JessicaRabbit3 · 11/06/2016 11:04

Circumstances change and there's no reason for access not to alter

NeedsAsockamnesty · 11/06/2016 11:10

You do sound a bit Disneyish.

If the calc says that the minimum you should pay then you don't lower it. If the calc says your paying over you only lower if your in dire need.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 11:14

Ex isn't someone you can reason with, he rejects any attempt at comprise. Try to force the issue would cause huge rows. At the moment things are calm it took a long time to get to that point and I don't want it to flair up again and put ds in the middle of us. I actually get more quality time with ds this way. However ds is now saying that he wants to spend more time here and so I will need to find a way to reason with ex. Every way I have tried so far failed miserably and just caused upset to ds.

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justbogoff · 11/06/2016 11:15

I'm shocked, if you were a man you'd have had your arise handed to you, (and rightly so).

This is YOUR CHILD that you are talking about, you want to pay the legal minimum for his upkeep?

I'm a stepmum, we have the kids 70% of the time, but DH still pays maintenance to their mum, because if the bills don't get paid then it's the kids that lose out.

milkyface · 11/06/2016 11:20

justbogoff if you have the kids 70% of the time then isn't your partner the resident parent - meaning his ex should be paying him? I'm confused!

Op - I think what you pay is reasonable, taking into consideration all the extra things you contribute to.

I think you should pay the minimum in any circumstance, but even when you were not obliged to pay you did, so I'm confused as to why people are having a go.

Janecc · 11/06/2016 11:22

If your son is getting older and wants to live more with you, his needs should somehow be respected. Is there anywhere you could get some advice on this cab for example? Once a child hits 10/11 don't their wishes get taken into account for any court action? - not that I'm implying you want to do this even if you had the money.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 11:26

What do other people do at the weekends with their kids? He doesn't have any friends he could play out with so he would be stuck in all day otherwise. He spends too much time on the computer as it us.

£80 doesn't go far for three weekends worth of activities.

We went iceskating and swimming with a friend and her son and then had a burger out. With petrol it was over £40. The following weekend we went to an event in the local park but I spent over £20 on him going on inflatables, the tombola and other similar bits. The week after we went into town, got his haircut and went for lunch somewhere that does knickerbocker glories as he has been wanting to try one. I did similar with DD when she was young so I thought most parents did the same?

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ScrewyMcScrewup · 11/06/2016 11:28

A 50/50 split sounds best for everybody, not just financially but also for your son's happiness. I don't know how much it would cost to take that to court - would it really be a lot?

justbogoff · 11/06/2016 11:30

He's not officially the resident parent, it's the person that receives child benefit who is.

Yes he could apply to be, but why rock the boat, we are in a better financial position, (not great, but better), and we don't want to add to his exes financial worry.

Legally, even if we had the kids 6 nights out of 7 (which it is some weeks), he'd still be obliged to pay something.

Janecc · 11/06/2016 11:30

Friends of ours have a national trust membership and go out on day trips with the dog and pack ups.

DD does dancing Saturday till 2pm then Sunday, it depends.

You also pay for haircuts. Again, this is something a lot of parents expect to magically get paid out of parental maintenance contribution.

justbogoff · 11/06/2016 11:31

We walk, we geocache, we play board games, we visit museums and galleries.

Google "free things to do in (your area) loads will come up.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 11:32

I don't want to put ds in the position where he has to tell his dad he wants to spend less time with him.

Ex would be hurt and would question ds and make him feel crap. Ex wouldn't hurt ds intentionally but wouldn't understand how torn ds would feel and would use guilt treatment to try and change his mind. For example in the past ds has been told that he can't love his siblings properly if he wants to spend less time with him. I don't want that sort of headfuck again for ds, he is a lovely sensitive lad and takes it all to heart.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 11:36

Just read your response oh dear. Shock. Your ex is a difficult character. Your poor ds. No, I didn't realise he would be treated like this. I really think you need some good advice from professionals. This isn't fair. Is his father normally such an idiot?

SaucyJack · 11/06/2016 11:36

"£80 doesn't go far for three weekends worth of activities."

No, it probably doesn't.

" I did similar with DD when she was young so I thought most parents did the same?"

Yes, they do- assuming they can afford it on top of the basics.

What they don't do is post on an internet forum trying to work out how to pay less for the upkeep of their own child.

Are you on a very, very, very tight budget that would explain your attitude towards spending money on your child? The maintenance you pay works out at £3.29 a day btw. Lots of people would spend that on a sandwich at work.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 11:39

I need to make ex think it is his idea somehow. If it comes from me or ds he reacts badly.

We did all the local free stuff when he was younger. I love the sound of geocaching but ds hates walking at the best of times. We do pick blackberries, go to the beach, bike rides also but it is very time of year and weather dependant. Ds also doesn't want much stuff, trying to think of Christmas presents he would like is a nightmare. He has always preferred doing things rather than having things, I am the same.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 11:40

Saucy that's not fair. Op didn't post because she wants a bunch of strangers to help her pay less.

Had she done so, I think the mumsnet community are wuite capable of telling her to eff off. Thank you.

She has clearly stated she doesn't want to pay more because she already contributes to a lot of other stuff as well.

justbogoff · 11/06/2016 11:42

His mum leaving him probably didn't help then........

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 11:43

I'm not trying to pay less! I just wanted to make sure I was being fair. I even paid maintenance when I was out of work. I had to borrow the money and paid it back when I found a new job. I didn't stop paying or reduce the amount then and I won't now.

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justbogoff · 11/06/2016 11:44

Sorry, my post was uncalled for. I'm projecting because of the situation my stepsons have to deal with at their mums.

justbogoff · 11/06/2016 11:46

Would he enjoy cadets or something similar?

Is there something you could do together (take up badminton, tennis etc), it doesn't have to be expensive, we used to all do karate together, it was great fun.

Stepmotherofdragons · 11/06/2016 11:50

justbogoff no it didn't help ds my leaving. It also wasn't helping my DD when ex started hiding her stuff, searching through her room and reading her diary. He would make her stay in her room after school for the smallest transgression (eg brushing her hair outside of the bathroom! )started talking to her like dirt and at the end screaming at her until she ran away scared one day. I had the needs of two kids to balance.

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Janecc · 11/06/2016 11:52

Is he getting more controlling with your ds as he gets older - as he did with your DD? I'm sorry, this sounds increasingly worrying.