how is this 'a faddy diet' ? diabetic - newly diagnosed

[mrsfuzzy]

going to lunch with a friend next week, but she is complaining because of my new 'faddy diet' - have just been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, which she finds hard to understand, am still in a degree of denial and uncertain as to what i can eat, waitting on apt with diabetic nurse for advice, have looked online but am so confused and upset,
any advice mners. she thinks i'm being faddy and awkward, should i cancel ? have tried explaining it will limit me but she is a bit domineering and i feel a bit depressed with the whole situation to say no.

princess, actually she was absolutely horrible and threw away all the leaflets the minute the nurse left the house. It was the 1970s so no internet, not a lot of public health information about not much general public knowledge of this sort of health issue. There wasn't particularly varied or easy availability of food in those days either. Plus he was really ill.

He was born in 1900 and had never cooked a thing in his life and couldn't really start at 70 whilst in ill health. His wife would have regarded him doing things in the kitchen as a personal insult to her housekeeping anyway and wouldn't have allowed him.

Best not to judge people from 40 years ago by today's standards anyway.

She did essentially bump him off though. Refused to have the leaflets read by either of them or take any advice, just carried on with exactly the same diet because she knew best.

ivykat the NHS don't promote it as diet and exercise aren't a permanent cure. If you stop/backslide the diabetes II will usually come back and, as you age it becomes more difficult to maintain the exercise...

So the latest NHS advice is that diet and exercise can halt/reverse diabetes II for as long as adequate levels of each can be maintained. Sadly this is being touted by the media and unscrupulous twonks as a 'cure' and confusing people.

The more reasons to appreciate current times: information ,advice and help that can be found these days . It would be really sad to loose people to type 2 diabetes now because obviously now we know it's easily manageable condition

I just read that back... I didn't mean to suggest you might be an unscrupulous twonk ivykat

Just a bit pissed off with some of the ridiculous Lifestyle Guru twattishness that facebook seems to attract

OP, I have one relative who was diagnosed more than 10 years ago and he is still on tablets, because he controls his with diet.
His brother was diagnosed with type 2 3 years ago, is now on insulin and about to have his foot amputated.

Thats the difference the 'faddy' diet can make.
I dont think your friend can see past the end of her own nose and I'd ditch her.

I don't think exercise has anything to do at all with type 2 management apart maintaining weight by burning calories .Low GI diet will help to stabilise blood sugar levels AND help to loose weight . Once the extra weight is gone , fairly normal diet can be followed. Obviously if a person doesn't burn enough calories /overeats then weight gain is inevitable. Unless you are a sports fanatic don't see how exercise can help diabetes management

The NHS and all other research would disagree, princess. Even the most moderate exercise helps control type II. It is down to muscle contractions glucose transport, insulin levels, etc etc.

Regular walking is enough!

I don't think exercise has anything to do at all with type 2 management apart maintaining weight by burning calories

Exercise reduces insulin resistance (makes your cells use glucose more efficiently) which is a problem in type 2 diabetes. There we also loads of other benefits, such as reducing blood pressure, increasing cardiovascular health, increasing bone density (depending on what sort of exercise) etc etc etc...

I don't think exercise has anything to do at all with type 2 management

Exercise helps almost everything, unless its something like a limb cut off.

I thought you were going to say you were on the Newcastle Diet. Definitely not daddy. My husband (Type 2 diabetic) recently did this. Has managed to reduce his medication from 3 drugs to 1 and lost 2 stone.

Exercise is also very important for circulation. I've got my Dad doing 10k steps a day. His feet are in much better shape.

Exercise of course is highly recommended. Another good idea, can you buy glucose testing kits in the UK? Checking your blood-sugar levels every day is recommended and would be particularly useful for finding out how effective your changes in diet and lifestyle are.

Exercise in any form is crucial in using glucose stores. Type 2 tends to be an excess of glucose due to insulin resistance/poor secretion so any activity that gets you a bit out of breath helps the body to use the excess first. If you were to measure your levels before and approx 30 minutes after exercising you will see a drop, which is why you can go hypo (relatively rare for type 2) if you do a vigorous workout without some food,hence the importance of testing so that you have an idea of how your levels are affected.

DH knows when his levels are low because he gets hangry, cold sweat/ clammy and gets the shakes. Low for him is 3-4, optimum is 5-6, anything above 10 and he starts to feel nausea. He generally sits at around 6-7 but can drop to 3 after a spin class, which usually means tweaking his tablets in order to prevent a hypo.

Yes, exercise, follow the Newcastle diet (800 calories a day if you can) and definitely low carb. Also read Sugar Nation (good US book about impact of eating on diabetes) If you eat high good fats and medium protein you are like to be lower carb anyway as it keeps you full.

I've been T2 for 7 years, since I was 22. I'm going to go against the grain a little here, and say you can eat what the hell you want, but moderation is the key. A dessert won't kill you, but a dessert every day, might eventually. It's a lifelong condition and a total lifestyle change, but don't deny yourself anything. The best advice my nurse ever gave me.
With regards to the 'friend' tell her that you're sorry your illness is annoying to her, and tell her to fuck off :-)

My dad was just diagnosed yesterday, so thank you for this thread. Some good support and advice here.

Ourblanche

The professor who has researched type 2 and how diet can reverse this disease isn't a twonk

Prof Taylor has written detailed papers on the subject and they are available to read

You don't have to rely on the national press.

I hadn't thought you meant I was a twonk

Have a Google for his work.

The best cure though is knowledge andknow what to eat and excersise. Eating in moderation is not wonderful advice because to some this will mean 50% crap food is a balanced diet, sadly this isn't healthy but people think it is

I don't think exercise has anything to do at all with type 2 management. Really? Well, now you've had it explained to you a few different ways you'll know better. That's great isn't it 😊

ivykat I think we are talking at cross purposes... semantics again!

Reverse yes, cure no (I once worked at the very edges of one of Prof Taylors studies )

All I'm saying in regards to exercise ,I literally sustained same level of physical activity before,during and after type 2 diagnosis.I wasn't very active,I do walk around 6 miles on the daily basis ,do all my house chores,mawn lawns,do gardening sometimes swim . If exercise was crucial in type 2 diabetes control I simply wouldn't be sick because I exercise enough . ONLY after properly adjusting my diet I was able to recover and stay within normal blood sugar levels

I wasn't very active -I mean before and now I exercise the same but I don't go to gym or anything like that

If exercise was crucial in type 2 diabetes control I simply wouldn't be sick because I exercise enough No. That isn't how it works. If you had been less active you would have been more ill more quickly.

If you have diabetes can I suggest you go and talk to your GP/diabetic nurse?

They will be able to answer your questions, give you more info than you might/should trust form a bunch of strangers on t'internet.

Would be interesting to know who ,while following NHS ONLYadvice, on diet and exercise managed to come off insulin or medication?
I don't know about importance of exercise but I'm completely off medication . Surely results speak for themselves?

Some people seem to think that any attempt to improve your diet, including having to avoid certain foods due to allergies and intolerances, "faddy". I have eventually come to the conclusion that these people are best treated the same way as the offending food, and make every effort to avoid them The effect on my health has been extremely beneficial !

Now, if someone says, well I don't really understand why you eat that way, can you explain... That's a different story, and these people are usually worth the extra effort, not unlike the extra effort I have to put in to source and prepare food that won't make any of us ill.

You are making the right call regarding your "friend" , and I wish you all the best with your new healthy diet

princess you are active, I assume you eat well. Therefore, if you have the balance of those two right you should be off meds.

Without knowing it, because of your 'normal' exercise/activity levels, you have met the NHS criteria and your own body's needs... well done!

But, please do go and chat about the importance of exercise/activity with whoever it is you see. As you get older or your lifestyle changes, maybe becomes less active, more sedentary, you may have to think more about fitting more exercise/actiity back in - or not letting it drpp out in the first place.