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To lay ground rules with my mum the moment she 'starts'

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PinkyOfPie · 27/05/2016 18:50

My mother is coming tomorrow to stay for a week. This is giving me slight panicky feelings and no doubt by bedtime I'll have come out in hives.

As a bit of background, my mother is, shall we say, extremely difficult. Think Monica's mum in Friends, but worse.

I could write a book about why this is, but I'll use a few short examples.

Firstly it's the constant petty criticism. From the way I wear my hair (why can't I dye it brown and have a nice short Bob, blonde is so tacky) to my parenting skills (why have you never taught her that it's rude to put your elbows on the table). DD is 3.

Last time she was here she offered beforehand to babysit for us so me and DH could have a date night (she stipulated the date night, not us). When it came down to it, my friend had a spare concert ticket for an 80s artist I'd been dying to see since childhood at our local arena, and DH got an offer to watch football at his friends who has BT Sports. So rather than a date night we arranged to do that instead. We'd only be a few hours each, same as if we did have a date night. Mum was royally pissed off about it. She said she wouldn't have offered to babysit if she knew we were going out with friends and not each other Hmm. She babysat begrudgingly and lectured me the next morning because I had 2 glasses of wine the night before. I'm 29.

This is quite consistent with her thinking, she thinks a woman should serve her husband and that friends are useless when you're married (unless they are wives of your husband's friends). She actually told my brother's lovely wife, who is a SAHM looking after a toddler and home schooling her son who has additional needs, that when my brother comes home from work she should have a cake baking in the oven Confused as "that's what a good wife does". I am a militant feminist and do not share this thinking, it ends up with quite a few disagreements.

It may not sound too bad, but there's so much more, if it's not criticism it's the constant passive aggressive attitude, a snobbish intolerance of other people, and the fawning about how utterly amazing my brother is. My brother is a lovely man, but if he cooks for his wife she acts like he's saved a child from drowning. She once told me "at least with your brother I have one child who's nice".

Strangely if you asked her she'd tell you we were best friends and closer than any mother and daughter ever. Because of the way she is, I end up being polite for ages, then it gets to me and I snap at her over one little thing. Which is not great, I know. But then I'm very much "the bad guy" and for the next two weeks she'll constantly reference how easily upset i am and how I need to control my anger.

I really would love to have a close relationship with her, and have tried endlessly, but she makes it so hard with her insistence that she's never wrong, and won't compromise on anything.

I did once tell her sincerely how she made me feel, years ago, but it ended in a very long guilt trip on her part, wi h absolutely nothing changing. However, during this coming visit I'll be turning 30 and I'd really like to have a nice birthday weekend without her winding me up. I'm also pregnant (which she expressed her disgust at, I posted about it in chat) meaning I'm insanely tired and suffering badly from morning sickness, dizziness and nausea. All. The. Time Sad. I can't be bothered with her snarky attitude on top of all this. She rang me yesterday, arranging to meet at a shopping centre at 11am, and she said "can you cope with getting up so early on a weekend?". This is because on a Saturday I like to have a lie-in til 9am, and in my mother's world this is considered super lazy. I should be up at 5am martyring about the house. I've had to have words with her before about how, when she stays, she knocks on our bedroom door at 7am asking why we're not up yet (doesn't want us back o miss out on the day apparently).

DH has said that the second she starts with her bad attitude or criticism (which, knowing my mother, will be 2 minutes within us greeting each other) I need to lay down the law, say that this weekend is my birthday weekend, on top of being constantly ill, I want a pleasant visit so the criticisms and PA attitude must stop right now. If I don't do this, I'll end up just silently taking it whilst seething inside for a week. She'll most likely go on a huff, but i would actually prefer that than me huffing all week for once.

WIBU to do what DH says?

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Birdsgottafly · 27/05/2016 20:04

I had a very similar Mother.

I had to go NC during my second pregnancy and then limit contact.

The only way that I coped was by challenging and questioning her, so she'd have to admit 'where' she was coming from (eg 50's housewife) and I could show how stupid her comments actually were.

It's tiring and destroys the relationship between you. When my DM was older (in her 80's), I questioned her about why she'd been the person that she had and she had no awareness whatsoever, which was quite sad, really.

Bolograph · 27/05/2016 20:07

My mother is coming tomorrow to stay for a week.

Why? She doesn't like you. You don't like her. Why not just cancel and never do it again?

Willow2016 · 27/05/2016 20:10

She sounds an absolute nightmare. I know she is your DM but there are limits to what you should have to put up with from anyone. She has no right to constantly put you down or make snide remarks to or about you.

Personaly I think its time you stood back and said, no more. You dont need people in your life who are just full of negativity towards you, if it was a 'friend' you wouldnt put up with it would you?

Cancel the visit, you are obviously physicaly not up to all the infighting and drama anyway and spend the weekend with your dh and dc relaxing and doing what you want to do, not dancing to her tune.

You need to think about yourself for once (and your dh and dc, what kind of effect has this on them? they are witnessing this and dc will start to think its ok to talk to people like that)

You are 30 time to tell your mum you are no longer a child to be bullied and wont put up with it in your own home. Your house your rules.

if she stops she strops, if she weeps and wails, she weeps and wails, if she calls you names, blames you, let her, just ignore, put the phone down, block her meantime and dont rise to the bait.

Only agree to contact again when she is prepared to talk to you like an equal adult.

Lifes too short to spend it being bullied by your own mother.

Have a great birthday.

TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 27/05/2016 20:15

You know what I have learned with mothers like this?

They are often insecure and/or jealous of their daughters success. That's why they are so often great with sons. Sons aren't a reflection of themselves.

Anyway, I don't think you should let her stay. it'll only make things worse.

RainIsAGoodThing · 27/05/2016 20:20

Ahh I could have written this. No advice, just that I know where you're coming from Flowers

Iknownuffink · 27/05/2016 20:38

Passively criticise her hair colour, outfit, weight, teeth, wrinkles, table manners.

I love the bingo game up thread.

When she critiques you, say "that's nice." meaning fuck off. Courtesy of Brown.

Sigh and roll your eyes when she has a go.

First and foremost do not allow her to get under your skin.

Get you husband onboard. He can sigh and roll his eyes when she starts.

Bolograph · 27/05/2016 20:44

Just respond to her first criticism with the simple statement that if she doesn't like visiting, she can fuck off leave on the next train. As easy as that.

BillBrysonsBeard · 27/05/2016 20:51

This is awful, she sounds really really stressful OP. I would cancel, you don't need all that tension going to your baby. Why are some
mums like this!? I really don't get it. They claim to love you but make your life more difficult than an enemy would. Flowers to all of you here with difficult parents.

Lottapianos · 27/05/2016 21:13

Also a big fan of the militant feminist description Grin

TendonQueen · 27/05/2016 22:14

I don't understand why she's even coming to visit for a week. Whose idea was that? You need to get into the mindset of saying no to her and pushing right back on this. But for a big birthday weekend I would cancel through 'illness' rather than pick that time to start the long overdue process of asserting myself.

MrsBobDylan · 27/05/2016 23:02

Op, do you feel strong enough to cancel or shorten the visit? Could your home 'develop' an infestation of something your mum's scared of?

jaminthegarden · 28/05/2016 00:22

my bitch of a mother is like this, why the fuck do they do it?! don't they realise what a cliché they're being? Can you imagine treating any of your kids like that ever? I really can't.

sorry luv, no advice other to say that it's your husband's job to stick up for you. In an ideal world we'd have the time and energy to do it ourselves (maybe you have, if so great, but pregnancy on it's own, without morning sickness, is bad enough!) but in real life it can be hard to and idiots like this often respond better when someone they're not related to by blood/upbringing chips in. It is not my job to make my "mother" see the error of her ways, she's not worth it. Unfortunately I don't have anyone to stick up for me.

over the years, I have dealt with my "mother" in such a way so that she knows that staying a wk would not happen.

OP I just want to wish you all the best with your pregnancy xxxx

PinkyOfPie · 28/05/2016 00:32

Hi all thanks for your lovely responses

To answer a few questions:

Yes she invited herself. She just booked the tickets (lives abroad) and emailed me. Which was annoying as DH had planned a surprise getaway for my birthday and had to cancel (didn't lose money). She's with friends at the moment in another city and getting train through in the morning so can't cancel.

My grandad lives nearby (mum's dad), I spoke to him earlier and he said if it all gets too much I can send her to his to stay. Going out for a birthday meal on Sunday, which I haven't told mum about yet so think I might say "it's just for friends" (which is true she'd have been the only family there).

DH is very supportive and has no qualms about putting my mum in her place. In fact he's done it that often she has a victim complex when it comes to him and makes it clear she doesn't like him because of it- always mentions things like "the time where he shouted at me just because I wanted to talk to you". Actually mother, it was when DD was 3 weeks old, I had approx 1 hour sleep altogether after a night of breastfeeding and I'd finally settled her down at 7am hoping to catch a few more hours, and you'd gone to bang on the bedroom door to tell me you were heading out for the day (couldn't have left a note!) DH came out the bathroom and said "don't knock on that door, Pinky and baby need sleep". But in mum's eyes he'd bellowed at her and upset her deeply. Her her her. . He's coming to meet her in town with me now, which he hadn't planned before in case I need 'reinforcements' Grin. She'll no doubt do a cats bum mouth to end all cats bum mouths when she sees him. I suffer a little from anxiety, which of course doesn't help, but DH is the exact opposite and has no issues telling it like it is. Very handy little fella he is to have around!

And thank you to the poster who linked to the stately homes thread. I have never contributed but have read them before nodding my head a lot! My friends think my mum is super lovely, as do most people who comes across her, and can't think what my problem could possibly be with her. Only DH knows how she makes me feel and I feel like I moan to him a lot, so it is nice to speak to others in agreement with me!

Meeting her in 10.5 hours. Will keep you all updated

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PinkyOfPie · 28/05/2016 00:33

And to my fellow sisters - the good I can think (and hope) comes of this is that it makes us better mothers ourselves as we know exactly how not to be!

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JapaneseSlipper · 28/05/2016 00:34

Sounds really hard.

"Yes she invited herself. She just booked the tickets (lives abroad) and emailed me. Which was annoying as DH had planned a surprise getaway for my birthday and had to cancel"

I do think you need to protect yourselves a bit. Say "oh dear, sorry, we are away on X dates, you;ll have to stay on with your friend, what a shame" or similar

citychick · 28/05/2016 01:38

Good luck Pinky.
have read the thread with interest.
youve got DH and grampa on side.
i do agree with " if u can't say anything nice then dont say anything at all". we use that one all the time.

TheMaddHugger · 28/05/2016 06:42

Ohhh Big soft ((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))

Btdt. Make her stay at her Dad's place.

olivesnutsandcheese · 28/05/2016 07:30

Could you respond to any criticism with the same phrase I use with my toddler, to anything negative - that's not very kind. And repeat ad nauseum? Or use your DD, for example, talk to her and say Granny just told mummy that xx isn't up to scratch, that's not very kind of granny is it. All in a very singsong tinkly way. I wish you luck for the coming week OP Brew

Bolograph · 28/05/2016 07:32

She just booked the tickets (lives abroad) and emailed me. Which was annoying as DH had planned a surprise getaway for my birthday and had to cancel (didn't lose money)

Why should you cancel because someone else hasn't checked in advance? I'd have gone, and left her to it.

dustarr73 · 28/05/2016 08:28

They are often insecure and/or jealous of their daughters success. That's why they are so often great with sons. Sons aren't a reflection of themselves.
^^^^^
This with bells on.

citychick · 28/05/2016 08:29

if my dm starts up i often use the toddler reaction ...why?....why?....why?....

dm gets bored of that and often ends the conversation with "oh well what ever you think". which is a passive aggressive too, but it does put an end to the digs

TwoLeftSocks · 28/05/2016 08:49

Crikey, good luck with your week! The bingo sounds like a good sanity saver.

For future visits, if you've already got plans them stick with them. It would go hopefully only take her having to cancel tickets (or lose the fare) once for her to realise that she really ought to ask before just announcing she's visiting.

PeppaIsMyHero · 28/05/2016 11:28

Go Pinky!!

BadgersNadgers · 28/05/2016 11:42

You're me a few years ago Pinky. I'm NC with my monster now because I wasn't prepared to take her crap anymore and I knew she would never change. It's brilliant!

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 28/05/2016 11:46

My mother in law used to do this. To everyone, not just me. I say used to because we worked out how to make it stop. You just give back exactly what you get. No need to up the ante, simply serve it back at the same level.

Do you like your hair like that?

Yes, do you like yours like that?

You've put on weight.

I know. It makes life a bit more difficult doesn't it? Do you find it a struggle too?

And so on.....