Sex on tv... Acceptable and expected?

[LoveBitOfMN]

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Had seriously enough from programs like Geordie Shore who advocate sex on TV so easily with anyone, and maybe a different one dependant on day of the week!
'Ladies' who barely left their teenage years just get pissed night after night showing their bits, fucking the one that just has to pay a pathetic compliment !
These ladies are stars on TV, they win celebrity big brother etc loved by everyone
The blow job to whatever idiot is their claim to fame..
These are the idols our daughters are inspired to be?? How scary is that?

As for the little male fuckers of those programs... No comment

I've watched GS, sometimes with my older teen DDs.

I'm pleased that Holly has stayed and done well, the attitude towards her, when she first went in, by the other make housemates, was diabolical.

I think the Housemates should have been over 21, not 18.

It was interesting how easy all the Housemates then found CBB, I'm a Cleb, I was impressed at how much Scot has grown up.

What I found difficult to watch, as a Mum to DDs, was the Sexism and the heartache Charlotte was continually going through, she was being played by Gary ( I'm on the fence if it was abusive).

Likewise, was watching Vicky during her abusive relationship.

My criticism is that this wasn't addressed at all and the Housemates didn't recognise what was going on during or afterwards.

'Anna' head of the production will lecture them on damaging the house, but it seems fine to emotionally damage each other.

The producers must know about the Cocaine use (and subsequent kickoffs), but as long as it makes good telly.

I don't think that what we see on TV is women with high self-esteem having sex because they want to. I think what is shown there is women with low self-esteem having sex because they think that men will like them if they do. It's a subtle difference.

We don't live in feminist utopia. I don't even have to watch those shows, I just have to look at how women behave and are treated in everyday life. There's a 90% chance that those shows cater to the male gaze, be it men's gaze directly, or women's internalised male gaze.

As I don't pay much attention to media, I don't know about 80% of famous people, so perhaps some women are just famous for having sex with some man - no idea.

I recommend ignoring the shit, encouraging the children to ignore it, and focus on other things. It won't go away just because one person ignores it, but you'll contribute to a mass boycott movement.

How much programmes like these influence your children are within your control as a parent. You can make sure they aren't watched in your home, you can discuss the content, issues and repercussions with your children.

Forgive me Nanna, but I think it's a bit naive to believe that your children will never encounter influences outside the home and so will never know anything about these programmes.

It's too late to ban them (for those involved)....they can't now be erased from the web.....and, yes, I do think they could be an unnecessary negative influence.

I believe it was quite clear that the OP was aware that she can avoid these programmes in her own home unless you perceive her as some sort of village idiot and I hope it's clear that I, too, am aware of it?

It isn't clear to me she did realise how easy they are to avoid
How old am I? 1?

Is filming someone who's so pissed they're shagging in public even consensual??

Quite. These shows often are very exploitative indeed and don't seem to have the participants best interests at heart. That one or two of them have managed to make some money out of it, doesn't make that acceptable.

I tried having sex on the TV once but we fell off

Greenish I'm not naive hence commenting "discuss content, issues and repercussions with your children" you even quoted it for goodness sake.

Of course there are all sorts of negative influences in the world, you do your best as parents to avoid or mitigate them where you can and for the rest hope the the good principles you've given your children are enough to see them through - that's all any parent does surely?

Love I have no idea how old you are. You could be 12 for all I know, I'm only responding to your posts.

Nanna I don't know how you intend to discuss content, issues and repercussions of a programme you don't allow in your home....or why you would want to.

That situation may, of course, arise if your children learn about it from outside sources....which naively you seem to think you don't have to worry about at all - and that if the OP takes your parenting advice, she won't have to worry about it either.

I don't understand why you're criticising her parenting ability because she (realistically IMO) thinks the programme isn't a good thing.

Can't say I've ever watched Geordie Shore. Its easy enough to avoid.

Greenish I have never criticised her parenting ability. Where in my posts have I said or inferred that?

As you rightly pointed out children are subject to outside influences, I agree with you, hence saying that I would discuss these with my children as they come up. I'm not sure what you find unreasonable about that.

Your posts feel a little aggressive to me Greenish. I agree these kind of programmes are rubbish. I agree they aren't great for anyone to be watching let alone young people.

I'm not clear on where we disagree?

It is perfectly possible to live in Britian today and engage in popular culture without seeing it being influenced by any of the behaviour you dislike.

Stop watching reality TV and reading tabloids/celeb magazines and all these rafts of Z list celebs and their bad behaviour will disappear from your life completely.

It is in your power- I'm not sure why you won't acknowledge that.

At best some of your comments have been patronising...at worst, veiled criticisms - and this despite the OP saying on more than one occasion that she doesn't watch these programmes.

I'm not being aggressive any more than you are - just stating my opinion as you have done. The fact that you basically agree on the worthlessness of the programmes just puzzles me more. You seem to have gone to great lengths to ridicule the OP.

I suppose I just have a dislike of people who believe themselves to be the 'perfect parents' in a position to lecture other parents on what they should/shouldn't be doing.

The OP was asking peoples' opinions on whether they thought the amount of sex on tv was acceptable. At no time did she ask for parenting advice from you, me or anyone else.

Greenish re-read what you have quoted. None of it is is reference to parenting - only to the OP's viewing choices. I've said nothing about her children, I don't even know if she has any.

I disagree that I have in any way 'ridiculed' the OP.

"patronising" is highly subjective but if Love has felt patronised I can only say that it was not my intention.

Actually I'm a pretty good parent but that's completely irrelevant to this thread as at no point have I offered parenting advice to the OP.

My only point has been to say that boycotting these programmes and the tabloid journalism that supports them is, in my opinion, the best way to challenge them. I'm pretty sure that's not a very controversial position.

Im with you OP.
why you're getting blasted so much on this thread is beyond me.

Ok Nanna I will - if you go back to the start of this thread, re-read the OP and then re-read your own passive-aggressive comments.

I've now nothing else to add to our pointless, neverending discussion other than........ if you say another word to me it'll be handbags at dawn!

It is in your power- I'm not sure why you won't acknowledge that.
Nanna if you think your children's choices and future are the result of your 'power' I have news for you!
All it takes is a mate they admire, a boy they fancy, a tv star who's considered acceptable as she just won CBB although she was giving blow jobs on telly last week! We do all we can as parents and pray for their future but we certainly don't have much power over it
I said earlier many children make mistakes and it doesn't mean the parents didn't parent properly but you chose to ignore my comment why is that?

Becker fuck knows mate, is it cause they think their children's future is great as long as they don't put Mtv on?

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I think in my previous life I was Mary Whitehouse, so totes agree with your opinions.

I also think the soaps should be post watershed- too much violence/drowning sorrows in drink/jumping into bed with every other person......

and no, I don't watch soaps or the Geordie/Chelsea/Essex crap either, but you cant get away from them in magazines/general media stuff.

I can't understand how you encounter it so much, especially as you don't watch it.
I've never seen it. I never see anything about it, or the people in it. My dc don't watch it. Not because I've banned it, but because they've got better things to do with their lives, tbh.
There are LOADS of thing I don't watch on TV, and there are loads of things I do. If something winds you up so much, then don't watch it seems the answer to me.

Love I meant that it was in your power not to watch it, I acknowledged in an earlier post that all we can do for our children is our best. I didn't comment on your point about mistakes because I agree with you.

Nowhere on this thread have I been rude about your children or your parenting. Nor have I said 'my children's future is great as long as I don't out MTV on'.

To me, the problem with the OP's post is that she does not differentiate between sex and other aspects of the celebrity culture (the bullying on Big Brother-type shows, the lack of ambition, the money-grabbing attitudes, the misogyny inherent in much celebrity culture).

I just don't get why she specifically mentions sex as if that were the bad influence our young people might learn.

I don't think sex is bad. I don't even necessarily think having multipe sexual partners is bad, as long as you treat them respectfully and insist on being treated respectfully. I don't think teenagers having sex is bad (once they are over the age of consent). I don't want my teenagers to think that I think sex is bad.

If the way sexuality is portrayed on some popular shows is bad (and that I am willing to accept) then it is not because it is sex but because of the other aspects (usually misogyny) involved.

cory did I say sex is bad?
I agree about the respect and where exactly is that when the chaps fuck around every night and the 'ladies' still beg to have sex with them What is that begging about? And the bragging about the hand jobs they give? What does this have to do with respectful sex between two people?

You said "advocate sex so easily" in your OP; that seemed to suggest that you didn't have a beef just with the programme (where I would almost certainly agree with you) but also with the idea of teens having sex with multiple partners. Perhaps it was just the way you put it.

You do seem to have a very detailed knowledge of the programme Love...

Terrible tv and should be avoided at all costs. Contributes to the poor educational outcomes we have in this country along with Simon Cowell's shows and the WAG culture.

Telling your children about safe sex and how to avoid abusive relationships is something all parents should try to do.

You obviously do watch these shows. I don't watch them and have literally no idea who you are talking about. If you don't watch them you don't know who they are. They aren't actually famous.