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To think there's no way he can be hungry

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SlapACatFuckADuck · 25/05/2016 11:04

Ds is 4 everyday we have the same discussions regarding food today for example he woke at 9:30 (didn't have nursery) we go downstairs i give him breakfast.

He eats all his breakfast puts the bowl in the kitchen and immediately wants lunch I of course say no. He then goes on continuously about how he "wants to eat" "I want lunch" "I'm hungry" "I want my sandwich" this has gone on for an hour and a half! when he gets lunch at lunch time the cycle repeats itself apart from it's not dinner because he doesn't like dinner Hmm he wants lunch as soon as he's finished his dinner the "he wants to eat" chorus pipes up again until bedtime where he will continue to go on about lunch until he falls asleep with the occasional check in that "you will give me lunch tomorrow right mum?"

I have no idea what his obsession is about lunch but inbu right? The kid can't possibly be hungry all the time especially after he's just eaten Angry

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AndTakeYourPenguinWithYou · 25/05/2016 13:04

Just give the kid a sandwich in the morning! I can't beleive you would make such a big deal about it to the point where he spends all day asking about a bloody sandwich.

christinarossetti · 25/05/2016 13:10

3/4/5 years old was definitely when my children asked for food the most.

It is largely because they're growing, but it's also about realising that they can ask, exerting control and choice etc.

My dd often has a sandwich for breakfast. Those sweet cereals don't really fill them up but are incredibly moreish.

What about more protein for breakfast - beans, egg, ham, bacon on toast/bagel etc? Tuna or cheese sandwich?

Ditto snacks - cheese, nuts (which are cheaper than things like fruit winders and crisps anyway)

Cheese on toast if he's hungry between meals?

I tend not to keep crisps/biscuits etc in the house and only buy Yoyos or the like for packed lunches/picnics, otherwise it's easy for them to spend a lot of time eating pricy, not very healthy or filling food.

TheHoneyBadger · 25/05/2016 13:11

trouble is i've known a mother proudly announce to all and sundry that her kids weren't fussy, ate all the food put in front of them at mealtimes and got told fruit bowl or nothing when saying they were hungry between meals.

the children were skinny with black bags under their eyes.

parents can get so obsessed about being in charge or not allowing snacking or seeing healthy diets for kids as being the same as healthy diets for adults who are not growing, not active and in fact could do with losing weight.

my son who is and always was a hungry child eats considerably more than me and yes some of that is snacky food and has sugar in it because there's only so much fruit, veg, complex carbs and protein you can eat and as a skinny active kid who's still hungry he is ok to have some biscuits or other 'treat' (hate that word) type food.

as for the banana thing - instead of waiting for him to say he's hungry and then suggest a banana serve the banana (still with skin on) as part of a meal, if he eats everything else and leaves that ensure he knows the banana is the next thing he'll eat before getting nything else and leave it on the table. every 'i'm hungry/can i have something to eat' gets it pointed out that his banana is still on the table.

BertieBotts · 25/05/2016 13:15

Bloody hell this thread is a viper patch.

OP I had the same issue. I have a small appetite, my mum and sister and my ex have small appetites and it just didn't really occur to me that DS could have such a large one. Especially as he started off very picky when he was little, barely eating anything until he was two.

I was suffering with anxiety and I hated it when he said he was hungry because I'd feel that it was a criticism of me - that I wasn't providing good enough food and I'd feel desperate because I wouldn't know what to go to when he ate everything and was still hungry. But I wasn't really aware this was what I was feeling at the time. I just felt frustrated and confused. If I gave him bigger portions, he'd be overwhelmed and not finish them.

I used to be amazed at posts on here where people would say their DC ate multiple bowls of cereal, multiple pieces of fruit, more than two slices of toast, multiple yoghurts etc in one sitting because (I know this sounds strange) I hadn't really realised that was a thing people did. I would never have been allowed to do that as a child and as a parent, especially a single parent who struggled for money, it's so expensive to buy those things that I felt like I had to ration them out. The thought of seeing them disappear so fast was horrifying. Just to put some context here - I was seriously amazed aged 18 when I first encountered somebody buying an extra McDonald's burger to have on the side of their meal because it just didn't compute in my brain. I still find it impossible when DH will make himself beans on toast with four slices of bread and an entire can of beans. To me beans on toast is one or two slices and half a can. One day I had a huge panic over the fact that DH had used some mince to make us something for lunch because to me, mince is dinner food and you can't waste it on a lunch.

I now realise I have food issues - not huge ones but they are there - but I didn't really notice it at the time because it always seemed normal for me. (The mince lunch incident was a turning point.) I also read some things which assured me that a child's calorie intake can actually be greater than an adult's, because they are using the energy to grow and also because they tend to be much more active than adults.

I now follow DS's lead on food and he's allowed to have as much as he wants of normal food - that's things like sandwiches, salad veg, fruit, ham, cheese, bread, crackers, cereal, anything that's decently filling and not hugely expensive. Then he's limited on things like yoghurts, crisps, sweets, ice cream. Anything like pepperami, cereal bars, etc are saved for school lunches only. I try to make extra of main meals so he can have some more, or he's allowed to make himself toast with whatever he wants on it really - butter, jam, marmite. No limit on the toast. He has not got fat (I never really worried about "fat" but I think similar to you I wondered where all of this extra food would go). And yes, when he's wheedling that he's "hungry" he normally means that he wants sweets or crisps. He is a crisp fiend. So setting out the rules for snacks helped. When he says he wants something to eat in a whiny tone I now normally cut straight to asking directly what he wants because he normally has something in mind. If it's crisps etc then I think about how much junk he's had that day and say yes or no. And I also buy cheap snacky bits which are similar-ish which he likes but I don't have to limit as much. Ice pops last longer than sweets and are mostly water. Rice cakes are crisp-like (according to him) and cost about 30p. I don't do particularly protein heavy breakfasts because I need mornings to be low effort, he has cereal or toast or fruit and yoghurt, but he can have as much as he likes as long as there is time. I notice that it waxes and wanes, perhaps in line with growth spurts.

Some other points -
Going by both DS and some of my friends' children, it's fairly normal for 4 year olds to still be fussy or have a limited diet. Lots of them aren't any more, but for the ones who are seriously picky or stubborn about food, 5 or 6 seems to be the age that they suddenly get more adventurous.

Likewise, a four year old doesn't have to be a genius to figure out that asking for crisps for breakfast is worth a try even if they have always been told no. Four year olds are always asking for things they have never been allowed to do. It's what they do!

nonicknameseemsavailable · 25/05/2016 13:15

well as long as he is offered healthy stuff and he is saying no to it (and it is stuff you know he would actually eat) then he isn't hungry IMO.

I have one who eats like a sparrow and one who eats constantly but is very tall and skinny. the one who eats constantly will also go through really obviously growth spurts where she wakes up feeling sick because she is so hungry, she genuinely NEEDS to eat more.

I have read that some people eat for sensory reasons if that makes sense - so when he says he just likes eating it could well be something sensory related. no idea how you help that but just a thought.

TheHoneyBadger · 25/05/2016 13:16

when my son was your age i didn't wait to be asked for food by the way - i'd fill a bowl with grapes, bits of cheese, olives, cherry toms, maybe a few breadsticks etc (depending whst was on or off the 'eats it' list at that time) in finger food fashion and leave it on the table/side of the room he was playing in for him to munch on along with a glass of milk or juice. it was a good way to ensure good stuff was getting in such as dairy, protein, fruit etc in a low stress, no confrontation way and meant he felt hunger and it was there rather than thinking hmmm, biscuits, crisps, hmm what shall i ask for.

Naicecuppatea · 25/05/2016 13:20

shiveringhiccup is spot on with her advice. Well done on noticing the issue and trying to get it sorted. A sandwich for breakfast would be fine especially if it has some protein in (ham/cheese/pate/peanut butter), and on brown bread. Same as toast really, and definitely better than Frosties for keeping him full.

Never use food as a reward, and we don't even refer to food as a 'treat', for I believe that you can take that thinking into adulthood, where it is much harder to get out of an unhealthy relationship with food.Good luck!

Penfold007 · 25/05/2016 13:27

OP your DS is having to take on enough food and liquid within 8 to 9 hours to last him 24 hours. It's perfectly normal that he is both hungry and thirsty at breakfast time. He doesn't like eggs or bacon so concentrate on the food groups he does like, a breakfast sandwich is fine ham, cheese or sausage might be something he enjoys. I'd avoid sugared cereals they are just empty calories delivering very little except a massive sugar hit. He may have some restricted food preferences and 'want' junk but he sounds very normal and remember you're in charge of the food on offer.

OutToGetYou · 25/05/2016 13:35

Sounds to me not like he is hungry but that he has fixated on 'lunch' as being a Good Thing, or a treat or something.

Do you Go Out For Lunch much? As a treat?

If he prefers sandwiches that's fine isn't it - he can have a sandwich for breakfast, it's not the end of the world. Just say "lunch in the morning, ham or cheese in your sandwich" and see how that goes down. The meal you eat first thing in the morning is usually called breakfast but if he wants to call it lunch who cares?

I don't really agree with the "can't really be hungry if he turns down healthy choices" - he is 4, not 40. I am 48 and often starving but don't want an apple!

t1mum · 25/05/2016 13:37

"Bloody hell this thread is a viper patch."

Agree. OP, my DD (age 4) is similar. She asks for food constantly although she will accept a healthy alternative most of the time (I am lucky in that). She has a healthy BMI but if I let her eat whenever she wanted she would put on weight unless she was eating only vegetables.

Even healthy food contains calories.

I don't want her to eat all the time as I think she is associating boredom, anxiety, etc with a desire to eat. Not a healthy habit for life.

For my DD I also think it might have started from when she was away from me and since that time we have had to be very controlled about food as a family for medical reasons. Or maybe she just likes to eat.

I think pp have been enquiring into your hospital stay because they are wondering if you DS is associating something that must have caused him anxiety with eating habits or a desire to eat. It's worth considering.

mummytime · 25/05/2016 13:40

I think he probably is hungry - so can you do toast after the cereal? Can you try to offer more of a range of things? What about apple slices and yoghurt? Apple is a longer filling fruit and the yoghurt might make it seem less like fruit.

Similarly he may need a snack mid morning, try plain biscuits or make your own flapjacks/fruity bars. Is there any fruit he likes? You could try milk shake with less than the normal amount of powder, or just milk and fruit whizzed in.

For dinner what doesn't he like? Does he not like "mixed up food" eg. stews and bolognaise? Could you try healthier nuggets (or home made)? Beans on toast? Maybe even make a list of things to try and try to expand what he will eat.

But he doesn't sound overweight, so he could well be very hungry. Some small children can eat a lot of food, especially when they are active and growing. And remember in the mornings they often haven't eaten for far longer than an adult won't have eaten when they wake.

christinarossetti · 25/05/2016 13:52

I agree that OP is being given an unnecessarily hard time on here.

I hope that you can take some advice from the supportive posts and ignore the excessive-use-of-exclamation-marks-and-jumping-to-conclusion posts.

TheHoneyBadger · 25/05/2016 13:56

agree that the child is going an awfully long time without food. if dinner is at say 6pm and then he's getting up at 9.30am then that's a 15hrs+ fast. let's hope he gets tons of water in the morning too or he'll be dehydrated and interpreting that as hunger too.

my2bundles · 25/05/2016 13:57

Sandwiches are fine for breakfast, my ds at around age 5 went thro a tuna sarnie fir breakfast stage, he also went through a pancake stage and peanut butter with jam sandwich stage along with some fruit or a yogurt. All better for him than the coco pop stage. If he wants a sandwich just give him one, it sounds like it's a battle not worth fighting.

TheHoneyBadger · 25/05/2016 13:58

oh and my son is 9 and not currently attending school (moved and waiting on school place) but his bedtime is 8.30pm. i think at pre school age it was 7. he won't have time to get enough sleep, eat a decent breakfast and be ready and out to school if he's going to bed that late once he starts school OP - also bear in mind when he starts school he'll have to go from breakfast to (small) snack time and then till lunch without food and that will help get used to waiting on the one hand but obviously make it all the more important to have a good breakfast (and time to eat it).

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 25/05/2016 14:01

There is some good stuff in here too though. I have to admit with one of my dc I'm just happy if he eats at all. His main food intake comes from white pasta and cheese Hmm

I pick my battles and offer as balanced a diet as i can get him to eat which is why I have tried to offer solutions rather than criticism. If it means eating "breakfast" food at bedtime or "lunch food" mid morning so be it.

Look at the whole picture and ditch rules that have no basis in nutrition and are purely cultural or marketing led I'm looking at your breakfast cereals!

Personally I'm feeling a bit more enthused to try some new things with ds using some of these ideas so thank you to those helpful posters :)

Ivegotyourgoat · 25/05/2016 14:01

I hate these threads they always give mnetters the chance to be armchair nutritionists and pick apart someone's diet, I doubt the ops son eats Frosties everyday.

I also really believe that all those who say their dc are eating multiple bowls of cereal, toast and yogurts will get fat if they're not already.

There are so many overweight kids around and their parents don't see it.

There is some good advice and food ideas but some posters are just being vile.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 25/05/2016 14:03

What an ironic first paragraph there Ivegot Hmm

And by ironic I really mean hypocritical.

SlapACatFuckADuck · 25/05/2016 14:04

I will be taking the advice from the supportive post and thank you to those that made them.

I guess I could have issues regarding food. I eat out of boredom and I know that but that's me. I guess all these people saying their kids have 2+ bowls of cereal, toast and fruit would never happen in my house. I was brought up with a family that didn't have a lot and you scrimped and saved you didn't get double/triple portion sides and if you did it was seen as greedy. So when he's saying he's hungry I think he's not.

I'll try him with the sandwich tomorrow morning and see what he does. Everytime in hospital he got a 'baby sandwich' his words which was a subway cheese and ham sandwich but I don't take him to subway as I don't like it.

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NeedACleverNN · 25/05/2016 14:05

I also really believe that all those who say their dc are eating multiple bowls of cereal, toast and yogurts will get fat if they're not already.

My 3 year old eats all that for breakfast...and still fits in 18-24month old dresses and 2-3 year old trousers.

I very much doubt she's "fat"

Ivegotyourgoat · 25/05/2016 14:05

I do agree though that our obsession with breakfast cereal is odd and largely cultural.

SlapACatFuckADuck · 25/05/2016 14:06

DS certainly doesn't have frosties everyday he had crumpets yesterday, "roundtoast" the day before

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Ivegotyourgoat · 25/05/2016 14:09

I knew that would get picked up on.

The fact is though that there are loads of very overweight kids now and some of their parents must be mumsnetters on here advising people to give extra bowls of cereal and yogurts.

Ilovewillow · 25/05/2016 14:12

My son is not a big dinner eater so he will eat a lot in the morning - so quite often he is almost having lunch for breakfast I. E beans and scrambled egg with fruit and yoghurt snacks in the morning. He will eat a picnic style lunch with an afternoon snack when we pick his sister up and then virtually no tea!

I think he probably is hungrier in the morning and there is no harm in switching the foods - doesn't have to be toast or cereal for breakfast! My daughter has a continental breakfast, more filling and it's the type of food she likes!

NeedACleverNN · 25/05/2016 14:12

At the end of the day, does it really matter if a 3/4 year old is a bit pudgy?

They run around so much and have still so much growing to do that they are likely to burn it all off before they reach double figures