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Evil DIL

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wannabehippyandcrazycatlover · 18/05/2016 11:52

I have been lurking in gransnet recently, to try and understand the GPs perspective and how to ensure good relationships with the in laws but I have noticed a very sexist trend- they blame DILs for everything.

DILs are challenging, keeping the GCs away from them and their sons are the poor little souls being manipulated by this evil woman. I know my DP wouldn't see his DM for weeks if it wasn't for me pushing him but I still get it in the neck from the in laws saying they don't see GC very much (it's at least twice a week btw)

Why do the women get blamed all the time and not their sons? They are their children surely they should arrange to see them and this shouldn't be solely the DILs responsibility?

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MargaretCavendish · 18/05/2016 14:01

I completely agree with pp that we hold women to higher standards, blame them for men's failings, etc. I think this is a generally observable phenomenon. However, I do also think that a lot of this is also to do with people's attitudes towards their own children. For instance, I know my Dad likes my DH, but I also know that he is quite quick to assume that any problems we have are more likely to be his fault than mine. He is, and always has been 100% on my side, and while I'm incredibly lucky to have grown up with so much love and support, it does mean he's not the most objective viewer of matters involving me. My mum too, but maybe not to the same extent. It's much easier to avoid blaming people you love for unpleasant things (I think the same is true of the insistance that OW 'seduced' DH away - it's much nicer to imagine an evil stranger than to focus on someone you love betraying you). So, while I think is this a gendered issue, I don't think it's all about gender.

NanaNina · 18/05/2016 14:38

Some very interesting posts on here - I especially liked the posts mentioning that all the trouble seems to be with DILS/MILS/SILS and not with the men. Not sure what that says about women - I think it could be that we are more concerned with emotions than men, or to put it another way are more emotionally literate, whereas men aren't so interested in the nuances in relationships.

I don't go on GN though I should, being a MIL. I do however sometimes try to show a different perspective on here to DILs complaining about MILs but wow I then get heavy criticism heaped upon me! One comment I usually get is that I am not showing MILs to be in a good light, though there is no awareness that all the DILs are not showing themselves in a good light. I often see the same people on the MIL threads and someone commented about me the other day "Oh don't worry X Nananina shows up on these threads regularly and she's best ignored!" They "show up on the threads too" but again no awareness of that.

I tend to think that DILs who are having a hard time with their MILs will be drawn to a poster in a similar position, and maybe MILs do the same on GN. I suppose that's inevitable really. Lots of posters say it is the DH's fault - he needs to "grow a pair" etc and I have to say I feel some sympathy for these men who don't want to get into conflict with their parents.

It's sad that there is still this conflict between DILs/MILs and often SILs in this day and age.

Scaredycat3000 · 18/05/2016 14:41

My paternal GM was a narcissistic controlling bully, who would brag about how nasty she could be to her own family.
My MIL is a narcissistic controlling bully who believes she can do no wrong because she is a christian.
My maternal GM always had time for us, little activities, playing with us, lots of happy memories. Heavily christian, but without the bigoted comments to other lack of/faiths.
My Mum, as far as I can see much like my maternal GM.

They both bully GC from toddler age up, 'You're fat and spotty' (to a 13yr old), 'You talk funny' all weekend (you have a different accent to me)
They both start a conversation with their GC befor swiftly turning their back to do something else. I have clear memories of hurt when GM kept doing this to me though out my life, watching MIL do it breaks my heart for my DC.
They both love a huge party where they can show off their GC despite barely knowing the GC. Rather than ever wanting to spend some quality time with their GC, but nobody would get to see how much they love their GC!
Both are horrible gossips who always lie put their own spin on things.
They both, and this is very important, brought their DC up to worship them above all else. Breaking a lifelong deep belief takes something quite earth moving.

If I had realised history was going to repeat itself I would have run a mile. Since my GM died I've never cried for her, I remember what she did to us first hand.

My Mum struggled with MIL because she had been brought up in a family that respected and loved each other. There was no battle for family control in her young life. In the late 60's you blindly 'respected your elders' so when her new MIL started bullying her and later her DC (me) she could not cause a 'scene'.
I have struggled less. MIL's behavior is normal to me, though wrong. She lost all the respect I had for her years ago.

Dad finally woke up after 20 years and we went LC for years.
OH comes and complains to me about our DC being bullied but says nothing to his M. Then complains when I object!
They have both been conditioned to put their DM above all else and excuse here behaviour. They are not being lazy, they are trying to come to terms with their own mother falling very,very far off that pedestal.
The males I do blame are the husbands. I watch as my FIL rolls his eyes at MIL but says nothing. They are these womens enablers, they had the power to stop this, they choose the lazy path.

I think the we are having bigger problems now as previous generations had much more social constraints (and geographical, 2 hour drive to IL's Grin )
that meant they had to put up and shut up, that's if they even considered complaining. Society has changed. I even feel sorry for MIL sometimes. She was telling me how her Mother and Aunt had discussed her career and had decided what she would do, MIL was married with DC at this point. She looked so sad. A few months later she tried telling me how my career would go after my DC Hmm
I think MIL took all this shit for many years thinking she would have her time in later years, I've been a bit of a shock for her, but not her other DIL. So clearly I'm an evil DIL if only I'd actually marry her son, the shame .

There will and always have been nasty DIL's. But this is Mumsnet, not the demographic for DIL threads. There will be nasty people, so nasty friends/partners/mothers/IL's, the same person, different relationships. We don't suddenly turn nasty, a caring thoughtful person will remain the same.

My dc are young, they do the 'Mummy I love you the most'. As the conversion moves on to 'I will live with you forever Mummy' type thing I tell them one day they might meet somebody, like I met OH, and they will love them and want to live with them more, and to wait and see. I'm not putting myself on a pedestal.

Gowgirl · 18/05/2016 18:01

I've never even looked at GN how scary can it be?Grin

Onlyicanclean10 · 18/05/2016 19:14

I will look st gransnet as am a new gran.

My philosophy is I love my dils, help out as and when asked with gc and support all my children equally. Be kind, tactful and nice.

There are vile people of all ages and both sexes. My gran was vile to my dm.

The only slight piss off with mumsnet is it can tend to be ageist and posters need to be called out on that.

Vixyboo · 18/05/2016 20:54

I get on very well with my MIL. Dp and I are not married but it is just easier to refer to her that way.

I have now known her 10 years. Dp and I have an almost 2 year old. MIL and FIL looking to move closer to us (they did check how we felt first).

It is obvious to me that dp is MILs favourite child. He can do little wrong. However, now I have my own ds I get it! I have a very strong bond with my ds. I get it.

NeedACleverNN · 18/05/2016 21:12

I think the one issue is that mostly daughters parent like their mothers.

Not word for word or even exactly like it but in some places.

Fathers tend to go along with the mother for an easier life.

MIL parented differently to you and therefore objects to how you do it as its all new. Then arguments erupt.

Does this make sense?

Littleoakhorn · 19/05/2016 19:51

NeedACleverNN I'd say that's very true.

My own experience is that I get the blame for dh's supposed shortcomings and sometimes these "shortcomings" are utterly preposterous. It's mil that gets the hump, fill couldn't care less. So even though I'd never come across the idea of MiLs being awful outside of sexist jokes and MN, mine fits the stereotype.

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Pagwatch · 19/05/2016 22:23

That means most women are cunts.

MorrisZapp · 19/05/2016 22:34

Totally agree with stewie. Women are held to ridiculously high standards and castigated for failing to be perfect. MIL, DIL, and OW all held responsible for men's actions or lack thereof.

BIWI · 19/05/2016 22:36

That's an intelligent post, Pixienott0005 Hmm

Pagwatch · 19/05/2016 22:38

It's a FACT BIWI.

She's a cuntographer.

BIWI · 19/05/2016 22:39

Oooh - is that a thing?!

BIWI · 19/05/2016 22:39

Do you map them, and draw them, with instruments and everything?

Pagwatch · 19/05/2016 22:41

You have to study. You get a badge.

It's impressive.

BIWI · 19/05/2016 22:44

If only I had the time.

Just5minswithDacre · 19/05/2016 22:49

There's now a thread on GN about a thread on MN about one of the threads on GN that deals with family estrangements and 'toxic' DILs.

This could run and run Hmm

PresidentOliviaMumsnet · 19/05/2016 22:50

AHem

BIWI · 19/05/2016 22:57
nousernames · 19/05/2016 23:10

My Mil is lovely to me and we have a fairly good relationship. However she doesn't see much of dh's brother and his wife. The blame for this is laid squarely at dsil's feet and she frequently complains about her.

I just think it's far easier to think sil is preventing visits than her own son can't be arsed to visit.

Gowgirl · 19/05/2016 23:12

Really must have nose at GN at some point.....

Just5minswithDacre · 19/05/2016 23:15

I just think it's far easier to think sil is preventing visits than her own son can't be arsed to visit.

Naturally.

doleritedinosaur · 19/05/2016 23:31

I struggle with my future MIL but she also hasn't helped or made any effort to get to know me.

After she did something awful to me & then expected me to apologise to her for my reaction. Then to continue to be narcissistic, I just can't anymore so I disengaged.
To her I'm the vessel.

The way she's raised my DP, kicks off & clings to my DS I won't let her be alone with DS which my DP says he agrees with. She however says to him "oh I'm not to be trusted"
Instead of bringing it up rationally.

She comes around when she knows I'm not here, she asks every day if my DP is going up there but never comes here even though I've said enough times she's more than welcome & why do we always have to go there?

Putting boundaries in place has helped stop the kicking off & tantrums but she keeps saying I don't like her when she's made no effort.
She'll say though it's me, keeping her son away even though he gets one day off a week. When I ask they message before coming around incase baby is asleep or we've got plans.

The irony is we would see them more & include her more but I don't see why I should & now my DP is no longer blind he doesn't see why he should.

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2016 23:40

DH does not like his mother.
They don't have a great relationship, but we have been trying. I have been gently encouraging DH to try and arrange to see his parents once in a while, for his father's sake.

MIL has been making a particular song and dance about at us not seeing them more often lately. She went away for 6 weeks around Christmas, and has been on 2 more holidays for 2 weeks at a time since then. We have a lot of commitments ourselves so practically its been difficult even with the best will in the world. And she's not once rung us to ask if we were free. We have to do all the running around to arrange things.

We have recently said, to try and make an effort that she is welcome here in the evenings in the week as we are particularly busy at weekends. We said if they were coming to visit, DH could arrange his day and leave work earlier so they have plenty of time with us all. DS is a bit of a night owl and has a late bed time and sleeps late so this is not an issue to how much time she'd have with him in the evening. She is retired, and lives 30mins away. We think this is all pretty reasonable, and civil.

However her response has been that she can't do that as DH is busy (!!!!) and she can't possibly travel after 4pm in either direction because of the traffic (!!!!)

She's also pulled faces when we've arranged to do things with BIL and SIL and their two children at the same time as seeing her. She apparently does not want to see all her grandchildren at once (even though this means she gets more time with them all than she would have otherwise, as we need to see BIL and SIL too and they have similar busy schedules).

I honestly do not think you can do right in some people's heads, and some people LIKE to be the martyrs and have someone to complain about. They get off on it, and it gives them something to talk about to their mates. MIL is definitely one of these. There is always SOMETHING. Or more to the point, someone. I do think DIL are an easy target as a result.

We are currently taking the attitude, to just let her get on with it, rather than rise to the bait for once.

So we'll do things her way, and she will see DS less, and we'll let her moan as she wishes about how she never sees him. The offer to see him is there on the table for her to choose. I don't actually know what else we could do! We can't magically produce extra weekends.

(Answers on a postcard please).

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