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To give the baby my MILS name as 2nd name in this case?

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NinaNeener · 17/05/2016 09:25

My MILS is a nice woman. Always been easy. No demands. Never had any PA emotional manipulation. She'd really never given me any trouble prior to the events of the last couple of years and I wonder if I am being unreasonable about those anyway.

My parents both died in the last 2 yrs. Cancer. So have been having treatment for years before. She was always incredibly sympathetic though clearly knew little about the reality of it. She would compare their aches and pains to her bad knee etc. I was bemused. So I would tell her, in frank detail how different it was. Her reaction was always shocked and sympathetic and very kind. And she would backtrack on the knee thing. Until the next visit when she would say it again! I thought it was funny - an effort to empathise from someone who had never known sickness. Which it probably was!

So I loved her, I thought how lucky I was. I knew she was fond of me and thought her son had struck lucky. I felt very valued.

So anyway my mum died. None of his family came to the funeral. But at the time it seemed reasonable, we live 2 hrs away so they would have had to take a day off work etc. They have kids etc. I can't remember why she didn't come but there was some plausible reason. Wasn't thinking about it much. My griefstricken Dad was very unwell at the time, I had a toddler, I was keeping my head above water.

And when I visited her not long after she was all consideration and kindness asking about him.

But then Dad died. And something felt different. None of them came to the funeral. My DH got angry first. Really angry. Various excuses from them which were very thin, tbh.

I realised none were coming, or had come before simply because they felt uncomfortable with death. Which felt shit, as FIL has been dead for years so they went through all this themselves!

I especially realised when I went to visit them some time later (me & DH were both still feeling pretty offended but we have a toddler everyone wanted to see) & my folks weren't mentioned ONCE.

Clearly everyone felt too awkward! Let's all play a game called Nothing Happened To Nina or her DH!

DH has made a couple of barbed remarks but since they are the most PA family in the world, everyone just pretended they didn't get it and went on like tra lalalala!

Since then we visit more rarely. When we do it is as always, she is pleasant, considerate, kind and the perfect host. She doesn't pry or interfere.

And she has never once mentioned my parents.

So now I am expecting a girl. Do I give her my baby's 2nd name? She would love it. And she is the only grandparent my child will ever have, and will be a nice one.

Or do I honour my Mum? Who frankly is dead, and therefore has no opinion! And I doubt she's give much of a shit tbh. She'd say "it's up to you entirely". And would mean it. And so part of me thinks it's better to honour the living than the dead.

I am conflicted because I (actually we) felt so unsupported during that time. But is that reasonable enough? Is that childish?

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crazywriter · 17/05/2016 10:57

Give the name you and DH would like. My DM got so much grief from her MIL for not giving me a family name as a middle name. They hated the name choices and I'm actually glad they stuck to their guns.

DH and I chose middle names from the family. We didn't want to pick between GPs so DD1 was given my name. She was suppose to be our only one and if we had a boy he would have had DHs name. We changed our minds later and had DD2. Instead of GPs names, we chose our DSis names. We both have one sister each so it worked. Neither of our parents were unhappy about that. Our sisters were over the moon as we hadn't discussed names with anyone so were v surprised. While we knew there wouldn't be a fall out, we didn't want to discuss in case there was one (like ordering of the two sisters' names).

ample · 17/05/2016 10:59

'And she is the only GP that DD would ever know, and the women live loooong in that family so MIL could see 100 yet! Wouldn't be the first! So DD could know her for many years'

I don't get it Confused. It doesn't make any difference how long your DD would know her own GM. Are you thinking she won't be close to her if she isn't named after her??
Grandparents don't need to have a child named after them to have a connection with their own grandchild. And likewise for the child.
If you love the name - use it.
If you don't love the name, there are plenty more to choose from.

I get it if it is a name you love or a tradition you would like to carry on but only if it's a name you and your DH are happy with. I would forget about your MIL with her many GD's who aren't named after her and don't see her Hmm

My advice would be to use another name. Or your DM's second name, Elizabeth, which is lovely, elegant and timeless imo.

Moonlightceleste · 17/05/2016 11:00

Can you use a name similar to your mother's name, but not actually the same name? We wanted to name DD1 after DP's sister who passed away somehow. She was Elizabeth which we weren't keen on and didn't sound right with DD1's name. So she's Minimoonlight Lizbeth.

seven201 · 17/05/2016 11:00

I haven't read the whole thread. My mum died two years ago and none of my in-law family attended and it didn't bother me in the slightest. I don't think they've talked about her since, but what would they say? I wouldn't want them to bring her up! In fact I would be pissed off if they did.

I'm just putting across a different point of view as maybe they don't know that's what you want?

I'm pregnant with my first and her middle name will be my Mum's name as I really want it to be. If she wasn't dead then I wouldn't be using either mum name.

Just give her a middle name you actually like or your mum's name if it is important to you.

I don't mean to sound harsh but to me it seems that you're overreacting a bit. Some people just don't talk about the dead much. If you bring her up do they shut down the conversation? That would be rude I guess.

What I personally struggle with is them talking about elderly relatives who are ill. I know it's not right but I have kind of lost compassion for 'old' people dying of old age. My mum died of brain cancer quite young and it was horrific. I find it insensitive (and I know I am irrational to think so, so I don't say anything etc.) when they go on about 90 year old so and so or how their dog is ill or how so and so is suffering so much with their hip. I just can't ever muster up the energy to spend hours talking about how sad it is (they like talking about illness a lot!) so I generally make an excuse to leave the conversation after 10 mins or so. I do appreciate that is my problem as normal people would be sympathetic!

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 17/05/2016 11:01

oh OP

its not really about the name, its more about the fact you are grieving, and are not being emotionally supported. some people are just really shit with death

so do you whatever you want, there is no wrong or right

Flowers for your losses

Time4adrink · 17/05/2016 11:03

Sorry for your loss.

Do you have to use a family name? We both come from big families so felt we were bound to offend someone if we chose to honour just one or 2 people. We even broke from one family 'tradition' of first born all sharing a particular name IYSWIM. We chose names we liked, that worked together and deliberately had no family associations - our children love their names. And so do our families. We didn't discuss in advance with them as I know there would have been pressure, though.

As others have said if you really feel you must honour the GPs, 2 middle names is probably your best solution, but doesn't have to be GMs first names.

But I would talk to your MIL about how you feel some time, she might not talk about your parents for fear of upsetting you. If she's lovely, this seems likely reason.

NinaNeener · 17/05/2016 11:04

You know this has made me think in ways I hadn't.

Firstly to address something, funerals are big in our culture and so there was a lot of aunts and uncles saying "wheres your DHs family? I'd like to say hello" as they just assumed they'd be there. I stammered out excuses several times that day. When my FIL died 9 members of my family attended even though they'd only met him once! But they were clearly attending to support ME. I was so grateful!

And that was the worst. DH had nobody there. And they offered no comfort even afterwards. There probably was a "thinking of you" text message. But it was just incredibly hollow.

And afterwards our loss was never acknowledged. It was cowardly.

I realised how cowardly when I happened to overhear MIL and SIL talking in the kitchen about how SIL had seen a young recently widowed school friend in the supermarket and had dodged down the aisle to avoid her! "I just didn't know what to say....." and MIL murmuring in total sympathy with SIL.

So it wasn't personal, I know. But still shit.

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LikeASoulWithoutAMind · 17/05/2016 11:06

Flowers for your losses. I can't imagine how hard it is to lose both parents in such a short space of time.

Our culture is in general a bit rubbish with dealing with death. I think often people are so scared to say anything that might upset or offend that they end up going too far the other way. I hope you are getting support from your dh and other friends and family?

I'm not sure if my parents would attend one of my PIL's funerals or vice versa. Or if I would want them to!

As for the name - I think Elizabeth is lovely and I would either use that or another name entirely.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 17/05/2016 11:10

its really shit, they clearly are not very emotionally evolved.

That said, its only when you experience grief you understand it, and become better at handling it?

I now know its offensive to skirt over the issue, but maybe when I was younger.... Actually you know what even when I was a crass 20 year old I dealt with it better than yout SIL/MIL

its good to get clear on what you are annoyed/upset about. its painful tho

my "crap at death friend" got me some flip flops! it was her clumsy way of showing she cared- bless her

I don't think there is much you can do- its their crap way and they are not going to change- its hurtful AND I am sure they do care in their clumsy un evolved way

BeYourselfUnlessUCanBeAUnicorn · 17/05/2016 11:12

Go with Elizabeth. I love this name but for personal reasons I wouldn't use it. I wouldn't name your child after your MIL, you aren't close anymore and surely it will just remind you of her and have negative connotations.

My DS has 2 middle names, one after DH's dad who is deceased and after my dad who is alive but we barely see. I thought I would see him more once I had children but we don't. I don't even like the name and really regret naming him after people. DD then came along and there was no way I was naming her after MIL and my own 'mother' isn't on the scene so she just has a very nice middle name that isnt linked to anyone. We liked 3 names and let 3 year old DS pick one of them.

NinaNeener · 17/05/2016 11:12

Grandparents don't need to have a child named after them to have a connection with their own grandchild.

Been talking about this with DH this morning and he made the same point. He said he'd expect his mother to be affectionate towards DD regardless so what difference would a name make? Good point.

He is leaving it up to me though.

Am definitely realising I feel more ambivalent about MILs name than I thought. It clearly still rankles.

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MiddleClassProblem · 17/05/2016 11:12

Are they from the same culture as you, OP?

NinaNeener · 17/05/2016 11:19

Yup. Same culture. She got HUGE support when FIL died. It helped her enormously.

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MummySparkle · 17/05/2016 11:19

Our DS has DP's grandad's name as his middle name. Our DD has my grandmas name as her middle name. I'd say it would be perfectly reasonable to use your mums name. DDs middle name is very old-fashioned, and I definitely wouldn't give it as a first name, but as a middle name I don't think it matters. It will rarely be used and it has a lovely meaning so it will be a nice thing to tell friends at school when she's over. And it made my grandma really happy.

ElizabethLemon · 17/05/2016 11:24

Sorry to read about your parents op and that you felt unsupported by your husbands family.

Just choose a name that you like. My ds has BILs name as his middle name but only because it's a name I liked anyway. I would never use PILs names as they are hideous but I would consider giving a daughter my mums name.

Inertia · 17/05/2016 11:26

Sorry for your losses - the lack of support from DH's family must be tough, but he does sound as though he's completely on board with you.

You don't have to honour anybody by using middle names- and I think in your case, there's still some simmering resentment around your MIL. I think you'd regret using your MIL's name out of a sense of obligation - your daughter will be her own person, not a memorial stone for her grandparents.

We actively avoided using family names, because with divorced parents on both sides somebody would have been offended and it was easier to use none than deal with the fallout. We did discover afterwards that one middle name we'd chosen was the name of a great-great-grandparent we'd never known.

We also picked middle names to reflect my husband's country of origin- is that an option for you?

In your shoes, I'd agree with PPs and go with Elizabeth. You like the name, you know that your mother liked it, the connection with your mum isn't obvious so there's no route for MIL to take offence (yet you will always know the connection), and it's a lovely classic name which would work well with most first names.

Badders123 · 17/05/2016 11:26

We lost my beloved dad very unexpectedly 3 years ago.
His friends...people he has been to school with...actually cross the road when they see me coming.
What can you do?
Their issues, not mine.
My dad had nearly 200 people at is funeral who did what to be there (inc my lovely pils) so I just feel a sort of pity for them really.
No, there isn't any thing you can say to make it better, but saying nothing makes a hard time worse.
I'm sorry for your losses X

deste · 17/05/2016 11:27

I was given my mums name and to this day I absolutely hate it. I tell people I don't have one. It's that bad. If your mums is bad don't do it.

MiddleClassProblem · 17/05/2016 11:30

Tbh I think you should telling them or MIL how you feel in a heart to heart. If DH has only dropped little comments, they may not have picked up or just felt the awkward feeling. It's a bit PA for DH to have done that rather than speak about it directly but I'm sure he meant well.

Clandestino · 17/05/2016 11:30

Confused here. Do you think that if you give your DD her name she will suddenly start loving you again? Because if that's the reason, it's extremely weak. But each to their own.

NinaNeener · 17/05/2016 11:33

This thread is like therapy, lol.

Cos I've just remembered that none of the family attended that schoolfriends husbands funeral. Poor bloke was only 35 (cancer) and they had known this girl forever. The funeral was literally down the road.

But you know who went? DH. 2 hrs there and back just to give the girl a hug.

Afterwards he sent her an email saying nice things about the husband and next time we visited MIL he went for coffee with her and they swapped hospice war stories. He said she seemed to be touched and was very glad he'd touched Base with her. MIL and SIL said how good he was, but clearly thought it wasn't necessary. of course it wasn't necessary! It was just nice!

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NinaNeener · 17/05/2016 11:35

No clandestino it was more a "honour the living who might be touched, rather than the dead who don't care" thing.

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Viewofhedges · 17/05/2016 11:37

Give your daughter a fabulous middle name instead. Like hope, or danger, or patience or honor or whatever so they can always say it is their middle name! Sounds like it's time to pick something for you, or her, rather than them. It sounds like this is becoming very loaded for you, and you might be reminded of this sadness every time you fill in a form .... Better to pick something positive for you and your husband.

And when you can, have that chat with your mil and get to the bottom of it. You have years of a potentially great relationship ahead if you can get your current feelings acknowledged. As the others say, it's your relationship with your mil which is more important than the names, so that your daughter can grow up with her in her life.

Meithered · 17/05/2016 11:38

First, I am really sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you have many happy memories of your parents to sustain you.

To be honest, I really struggle with funeral protocol. I wasn't born in the UK and so don't really know what rules if any apply here. Where I was born there is a very well established pattern for funerals etc. Here, I never know whether I should attend or not. When I first moved here, I received invitations to funerals. Since then I guess I feel that funerals are by invitation by only. Death notices are rare here too, so there is no little to go on.

I really wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water here. Focus on your MIL's good points. Don't forget all those positives that you've listed. She is a good person at heart and means you or your husband no ill. Also, you've been through two bereavements and two pregnancies. You've been on one hell of an emotional roller coaster ride. Give your ILs the benefit of the doubt. There is nothing to be gained by holding a grudge or feeling resentful for their nonattendance. That's done and dusted. Look to the future and to the new life you are carrying.

I would give both names just to show how thoughtful and fair you are (or you could do a Katie Price/Peter Andre trick and meld the two names to make a totally new one (just joking there !!!).

NinaNeener · 17/05/2016 11:42

I have also suddenly started thinking about what Mum would think about MILs crapness.

Mum liked MIL. Everyone does - she's very nice and easy company.

However she never knew about all of this obvs so if she were sitting in front of me this minute and I told her the story, she would have a serious cats bum face. I can see her now!

So maybe Mum, whilst not being vain about her own name, might simultaneously not think MIL should get it in light of her lack of support.

Hmmmm.....

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