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To ask you to tell me about the HPV Vaccine and if your daughters had it?

129 replies

neighbourhoodwoes · 02/05/2016 22:42

DD just gave me the letter which has to be returned by tomorrow.

Everything I read online about how effective and how long it lasts is conflicting.

Does anyone have any info or views which may help!

OP posts:
DrDreReturns · 03/05/2016 21:12

My DD will have it, I think it should also be available to my DS.

grumpysquash3 · 03/05/2016 21:13

slightly off topic, but I learned last week that you have to have smear tests until the age of 64! I guess that's a good thing....

cleopatraseyebrows · 03/05/2016 21:14

HPV can be transmitted via safe sex too. It's skin to skin transmission. Condons don't cover everything.

Basically, sexual contact is risky.

lljkk · 03/05/2016 21:20

I haven't seen any reliable evidence that HPV jab is a bad idea.
omg, the song & dance the girls make out of getting a jab. Fainting & wailing while they wait in the queue.

specialsubject · 03/05/2016 21:44

I find it hilarious that parents think that their children will definitely stick to their values. Your ickle preshus may start shagging like crazy well before it goes to university.

some real inability to understand logic, cause and effect on here. I'm all for intelligent decision making but I see none of it on this thread.

Janecc · 03/05/2016 21:48

My DD will not be getting it. Along with the devastating side effects listed in the linked article from [anotherbusymum], some believe it can also lead to premature ovarian failure (Early menopause). The article from anotherbusymum is a must read. What I am saying about Pof has been more heavily disputed. The children getting this vaccine really are Guinea pigs and not enough is known. It may yet turn out to be the thalidomide of our children, and thankfully a far lower proportion of children are seeing side effects than the pregnant mothers taking thalidomide in the 50's/60's. However, having far fewer people becoming ill in itself is difficult because it makes these side effects more easily brushed under the carpet.

BarkGruffalo · 03/05/2016 21:50

I don't understand why anyone wouldnt have a vaccine that could prevent cancer.

PacificDogwod · 03/05/2016 21:51

omg, the song & dance the girls make out of getting a jab. Fainting & wailing while they wait in the queue.

But the drama is part of the whole experience, dontcha know! Grin

I absolutely think it should be offered to boys too and as soon as it is (I am hopeful that will be very soon - DS1 is 13 and who knows how many of my values have rubbed off on him…) my sons will be informed that they are having it. Fainting and wailing not withstanding.

Tbh, I have nothing to do with the school vaccination program, just a few stragglers who receive the vaccine in Primary Care for catch-up, but see more parents who bring their babies and toddlers for childhood vaccination. And I don't think it is fair to the child for a parent to ask them in the consulting room "Well, darling, would you like the jab or not?" and leaving it up to the child. Who of course say 'Stuff this for a game of soldiers, there's a NEEDLE involved? That they want to stick IN TO ME? No thanks'. Or wails to that affect.
IMO and IME as a parent, tell them they are going for a quick pin prick, yes, it will hurt for a little while and then they are going for an ice cream/get to pick there favourite comic or magazine/go to the playground or whatever bribery works.

annandale · 03/05/2016 22:03

I'm not going to post a whole load of links but it is possible to explore the claims made about Gardasil's dangers fairly easily. My conclusion was that there was remarkably little evidence of anything negative at all about them.

But they are pretty new still, yes.

jellybeans · 03/05/2016 23:43

My 2 DDS had it. If they were ill I trust the same doctors to help them get better so if they are advising this and their own daughters having then it's good enough for me.

TowerRavenSeven · 04/05/2016 02:55

We're in the States where it is strongly encouraged for girls and boys, and ds had his first injection at 12 years old and his second at 13. Our insurance paid for it. No reaction and I'm glad he got it done. I've had cancer and anything I can do to help reduce the risk for him, I feel like I need to do.

LucyBabs · 04/05/2016 03:07

What values do your family have mistress that my pretend your dc from contracting or spreading the HPV virus?

Janecc · 04/05/2016 06:21

Barkgruffalo I won't just go ahead and give my DD this vaccine because I have been told it prevents cancer. The pharmaceutical company will doubtless have spent millions or even billions researching and developing this vaccine as with all medications. I have read that a natural ingredient cannot be licensed and all medicines and vaccines have to be synthetic or man made and are therefore by definition actually toxic to the body. And yes, they often need to be. These corporations are designed to make a profit, are floated on the stock exchange and so they are very very reluctant to see any licensed medicine withdrawn because that will seriously affect the profitability of the company. I'm not anti licensed drugs btw, I'm taking antibiotics as we speak, which are toxic and take a long time to leave the liver. Big Pharmaceutical companies also have a massive political influence in powerful countries like the US and as I said, these companies were designed to make a profit. Statins for example are so widely used yet detrimental to the body. They are designed to strip the body of lipoproteins and they do that very effectively. These are lipoproteins that our body desperately needs to function. Some people have an imbalance of lipoproteins, which can generally be addressed with a diet change but we just don't want to do that so the pharmaceutical companies have come up with an answer: statins. We are also told to cut salt, but what I don't believe we have ever been told is that if we were able to completely cut salt from our diet, we would slowly desiccate and die. I use Himalayan rock salt, not the adulterated sodium chloride (table salt), which is the less healthy salt, which apparently leaches minerals from the body, but hey, it looks nice and white and shakes easily. The average person knows very little about the function of the body, I don't know much more. And the average person is blindly going along with what they are told. I did the same until I became very very very ill.
So no, I won't blindly give my DD the vaccine because it has been deemed safe by the powers that be because I know there are a lot of question marks behind its safety. And she can just get regular smear tests from the time she is sexually active. I'll pay for it if I have to.

Mistigri · 04/05/2016 06:40

And I don't think it is fair to the child for a parent to ask them in the consulting room "Well, darling, would you like the jab or not?" and leaving it up to the child

Who in earth does that?

OTOH no one should force an adolescent to have medical treatment without their consent. My DD was vaccinated with her consent, and I will pay for DS to have his at some point, assuming he also consents (he's a rational person who is totally unbothered by jabs so I'm not anticipating a difficult conversation).

The flip side of this is that I also think that the adolescent children of anti-vaxers should be informed about the vaccine and given the opportunity to consent to it themselves.

Birdsgottafly · 04/05/2016 06:41

My middle DD got it, when it first was first used in the UK, three years later my youngest DD got it, both with no side effects, no-one in their peer group (or next couple of years) suffered any ill effects, either.

Janec, I have your type of conversations, a lot, in RL and online, I'm Vegan (except for medicines), so are a lot of the forums that I'm on. Realistically, the answer is to accept death, as we used to, even in our 40's (when Cancers etc start to strike).

Dawndonnaagain · 04/05/2016 06:47

Both dds and ds have had it with no ill effects.

Twinkie1 · 04/05/2016 07:00

My DD had it and was fine. I figured protection against 2 of the strains better than protection against none. A huge amount of money goes into research before the government spends a great deal of money on vaccination programmes. I'm inclined to believe that they've made the right decision in deciding it's a good thing.

mathanxiety · 04/05/2016 07:21

All my DCs had it, DS as well as the DDs. They had Gardasil, three jabs in the arm. The DDs will have pap smears annually too from when they are first sexually active. The HPV vaccine is not supposed to take the place of pap smears.

It's not an experimental vaccine. (To the poster who didn't want her children to be guinea pigs).

'...vaccines have to be synthetic or man made and are therefore by definition actually toxic to the body' [Janecc]
Not true.

And to the rest of your posts and the posts of a few others -- just 'wow'. I see I'm not the only one with a similar reaction.

conusedoratwatorsomething · 04/05/2016 07:28

I had it, other than the horrific fear of needles I have it was fine. No idea if I have hpv thingy or not though as I had already had sex before I had it but don't see the harm in it?

bruffin · 04/05/2016 07:47

Janecc
lol
Do you really believe that there is not big money in "natural remedies" and things like "himalayan rock salt" (you do know that himalayan rock salt contains traces of uranium, polonium and radium, but they are natural so okay Grin )
this debunks most of the myths put about by the antis on this page

also re diane harper

sashh · 04/05/2016 07:48

My DDs didn't have it. AFAIA there is no evidence that it has prevented a single case of cervical cancer, or how long the vaccine is effective

Well it hasn't been around long enough to 'prove' that, it has probably been around long enough to see a decrease in HPV infection, except if you don't have any symptoms then you are not going to be tested.

The HPV vaccine is only active on 2-4 cancer causing strains - there are around 16

Yes and not all of them are linked to cervical cancer. In fact the HPV that causes genital warts is not the same strain as the ones that cause cancer. This vaccine is to prevent cancer not prevent HPV infections / genital warts .

LyndaNotLinda · 04/05/2016 07:57

I find it utterly laughable that anyone would believe that a hugely cash-strapped NHS would invest in a costly immunisation programme because they're incapable of understanding scientific data. It's embarrassing.

GnomeDePlume · 04/05/2016 07:59

My DDs had it with our encouragement. DS would have had it as well if it had been available.

The HPV vaccine is only active on 2-4 cancer causing strains - there are around 16

Okay, that is 2-4 of the cancer causing strains which they are immunised against. Significantly better than being immunised against none of them.

My expectation is that over time we are going to find that more and more of the cancers which are currently seen as 'just bad luck' or 'lifestyle' will have a virus as the root cause.

Marynary · 04/05/2016 08:11

DD had it a couple of years ago with no problems.

It's interesting that a couple of people have said that their DD will not be having it as I'm pretty sure that parental consent was not sought for it. We just received an information leaflet. The children signed the consent form rather than the parents so whether or not your child receives it is really not up to you.

lljkk · 04/05/2016 09:06

Why would it be in a govt's interest to risk bad health to its citizens, from a vaccine that generates at most $20 profit per receipient for the Pharma company, of which how much could possibly be backhanded to health authorities? Those are future taxpayers! It makes no sense.

The article busymom linked to says; Cervical cancer is usually entirely curable when detected early through normal Papscreenings.

In USA they screen annually; in UK we screen every 3 yrs. Why is no one suggesting that every 3 yrs is a Pharma conspiracy to kill people?

The wikipedia page on conspiracy theories explains a lot.

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