To wonder what teaching will be like in ten years?

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The other thread about OPs husband not taking time off inspired this one; it (obviously) isn't a TAAT, though :)

What do you think will happen to the profession in 2026?

Completely irrelevant to thread, but FranHastings, I love your NN. Are you and Scott still dancing?

ISaySteadyOn. I have been waiting and waiting for some marvellous person to get it.

Yes, we're very happy, still dancing, have our own dance academy now (the good kind). The only thing is, it's simply exhausting coming up with new steps all the time.

Sorry. As you were everyone.

The teachers who are left will be planning and assessing for delivery by TAs. However the demands on TAs will continue to creep up because there is a good demand for term time only jobs. Eventually most of the workforce will be TAs being paid £15k pro rata doing what teachers used to do. Bargain!

it will all be done remotely via whatever the internet has evolved into, same for university, courses will be free

I'm currently looking to leave secondary and sixth form education within the next couple of years. It will break my heart, as I care about the kids a lot, but I'm not willing to continue dedicating every waking hour, and many of the hours when I ought to be sleeping, to this job anymore once I start having my own children.

I like to imagine that I'll wait it out until everything returns to "normal" again, and then I can get back to doing what I love (and am good at). But I suppose that's a very dim view, really. I'll probably never teach in the public sector again.

Don't know if it's the same in England, but in Scotland the goalposts for retirement age keep changing.

I started with a retirement age of 60 but this has gradually increased to 67/68 (at the last reckoning)

In answer to the OP. in 10 years time teachers will have to work until they literally drop dead on the job.

It's shite in Scotland but, I believe, a lot worse in England - we're all DOOMED

I was going to go back to teaching when the dcs were bigger. I absolutely will not now. At this rate, I'm going to end up home educating them.

There will still be a willing workforce of NQTs to exploit. You always think you know better, but I would imagine the turnover will be even higher than now. They will start on lower wages.

I'm not sure about TAs. I think they'll be too expensive at current pay rates. I think they'll be replaced by minimum wage supervisors.

When I came into teaching (early 90's) in Scotland teachers were still retiring at 55 and now they expect me to be in front of a class at 68. FFS, my mum just turned 68 and although she's in good nick for her age she couldn't do a full teaching commitment. I barely could at 40, with 3 dcs at home to deal with too. I am still in education but not with a class commitment. I watch my colleagues get up after each break and head off to face their classes and wonder 1) how I did it so long and 2) how long they can keep it up.

Classes supervised by TA(s) if your lucky with lessons written buy a teacher that assesses them.

Drama, Arts and Tech will be removed from the system as they are not cost efficient and aren't recognised on the league tables.

SEN will be recognised but underfunded and the kids passed from school to school as no-one wants to take responsibility for them and how it affects the positions in the tables which will of course affect the funding that schools get,

Any school that "underperforms" will be passed from academy chain to academy with no-one taking responsibility for the failing school or actions to improve it.

Oh and teachers will get the blame as they didn't care enough to challenge the changes because everyone will have forgotten that they protested that this was a bad idea.

You won't know your child's class teacher in Primary because the Academy chain can move them about around the chain schools whenever they feel like it.

Academy chains will go bust and you won't have a clue who will educate your child now.

You will be buying all stationery and related items that your child will need from age 4 to 18. More cost effective. You will only be able to buy these from approved suppliers.

Actually, as a young teacher, what makes me really sad is thinking of when an older teacher retired after 35 years in my school last year. The kids lined up to shake his hand on the last day, and many had cards or messages from their parents, whom he also taught, to pass on to him. Or when I bump into my old school teachers in the supermarket, and they still remember my name and what I was like as a teenager.

It makes me sad because I'll likely never experience that as a teacher, as I'm bound to be one of the plus-50% who leave within the first five years. Also, because it's likely that none of the generation of children to come will experience that relationship with an older teacher who is such a pillar of the community, as they'll all be taught by an ever-changing cohort of cheap NQTs or unqualified teachers.

Sorry, I got carried away ranting and my post is written from a parent's pov rather than the teacher's. Reverse it, please. 😁

ermmm remind me where we are in the cycle? I suspect there will be less emphasis on grammar and more on creativity...

There will be unqualified teachers and they will all have less than 5 years experience, because after that they will become too expensive, despite earning less than £25k. Quite how this will work with an ever increasing retirement age is a mystery, other than to say that teaching will be a very short term job and certainly, no longer a career.

There will be tests and assessment continuously and the government will tell us all that standards are being driven up. Children and staff will be stressed, there will be no spontaneity, no autonomy, no joy. Ultimately, there will be no schools, children will be 'taught' in a technological bubble, with no interaction or social contact with their peers. Everything will be online. Who will the government blame for the drop in standards then?

SO glad I left teaching. What a mug's game :(

Poor teachers.
Poor children.
Poor this country whose future is so screwed up by clueless, spineless politicians meddling in things they don't want to understand.

Centuries ago children were taught at home, schools did not exist. This is what I would like to go back to.much more fun

However, in reality, they will become like robot factories. Spewing out children that toe the party line, who turn into workers who toe the line and don't question, marked and measured all their life from cradle to the grave. (Or course, those who attend the fee paying schools are the bosses and middle management, dependant on the size of the fees)

If we end up with no teachers and classes of 60 plugged into headphones on computers-who will stop little Billy who's bored shitless, pulls out his headphones, kicks the computer and walks out of the room?!

I know of a school that couldn't hire maths teachers so the kids were herded into computer rooms to learn maths on the computer (mymaths or similar). It didn't work.

I'll still be standing in front of bored teenagers, saying, "No, your pen hasn't exploded - it's leaked."

I've been hearing this line from the pre-teens I teach for the last 19 years, so that made me laugh.

In FE tutorials are already undertaken by 'remote access learning' and there is a taget percentage of course and LAP delivery by remote elearning (don't know the figure but I know that in Wales at least targets have already been set).

Well it is 11 pm and I have given up work for this evening, despite not having finished the work I needed to do. In 10 years time there is no way in hell I will still be teaching. My kids are already in the private sector and there they shall stay.

I feel so sad for the profession and the next generation of kids and their teachers.

I think the numbers of children will be deemed not cost effective so they will be cut and therefore children will have to put their education out to formal tender within a deregulated marketplace. Academy chains will be able to bid for each child's business and the necessary spag and numeracy content will have to be dispensed on time and within budget or else become liable for time penalties. #joy

I think it will be starting to get better - just.

If you compare us to Europe, we have one of the most regularly tested systems, yet this doesn't correlate to improved outcomes. Our politicians (of all colours) have yet to get their heads around this it seems, but the current incumbents have started down the road of 'regular testing can be introduced as a system of checks and balances for introducing private funding in lieu of state funding.'

It won't work overall - as history and contemporaneous examples in other countries have demonstrated, although there will undoubtedly be some success stories. Eventually, as we suffer a skills shortage, educational attainment doesn't live up to expectation, social mobility remains static (or even decreases), and various think tanks produce their reports, there will be return to greater state control.

Some people seem to believe that private/state control only works one way (i.e. sell it off and never regain control), but if you look at the evolution of state-funded education in this country from the 19th century onwards, plus the introduction of the welfare state, that isn't the case at all. However, what it does require is massive political will (most of our current politicians - in all parties - are far too career-minded than passionate about something they genuinely believe in) and a far-from-passive electorate.

We're not there yet. We've yet to hit the bottom, the politicians don't care, and sadly it seems most of the electorate don't care enough to translate feelings into action. But that won't always be the case IMO. Again, history has shown us that equitable societies fare better and non-equitable societies eventually tend to implode when things get bad enough, and that's when things change.

What I find interesting is the underlying assumption that for the next ten years we will have continuous Tory governments.

Which, given the disgraceful incompetence of the current Labour leadership is probably a reasonable assumption, but I'd have thought that at least one Momentumite would have jumped up to tell us that it will all be alright once the Great Helmsman has taken over in the landslide election victory Labour are sure to win in 2020.

If selfish people keep voting tories things will just get much worse. It's so depressing.