to be fed up with the bad association people see to have with social housing?

[NoahVale]

PEOPLE at work criticizing the new builds which, shock horror, also contain Social Housing
tales of people complaining that they are buying houses the same as those in social housing

and others putting down social housing residents. of which I am

Alfieisnoisy your experience of 2 isn't representative either- as I said up thread the data shows social housing tenants cause disruption as a rule. That doesn't mean individuals are awful, but that your chances of experiencing this kind of behaviour is much higher in social housing

That's just it Alfie- they aren't a small example. I've worked in this field for well over a decade in different towns and LA's Yes there is always the exception to the rule, that's always the case but in my experience they are the ones in the minority not the the other more disruptive group.

I don't come from a privileged background myself. I grew up in large, inner city deprived working class area. It wasn't like the benefit street type programmes you see on TV. It just wasn't. For every one chaotic family there were 30 others that weren't.

Now it's completely different there is a sub culture of unemployment, drugs and alcohol misuse, chaotic
Lifestyles by parents who were badly parented themselves and who carry on the cycle with their own kids. Whole generations of families where not a single adult works or has worked. I don't blame people for not wanting to live next door to that, I wouldn't myself. What you see on the tv, on Jeremy Kyle and those benefit type programmes maybe difficult or distasteful to watch but that doesn't mean it isn't true and in fact a large if not most of my clients are representative of that type of lifestyle.

Kidley you are describing our old neighbours in your previous post. It was impossible to have a good standard of living living next door to them. Your bit about not putting rubbish out, undesirables all spot on. Felt out of control somehow. Multiple kids, screamed at. What chance have those poor kids got?

Very sad for them but sod that - not bringing my DC up in that environment if I can afford not to.

Kidley im assuming to have the statistics to back up your claims The ones the Joseph Rowntree foundation couldnt find. Jesus where do i even start. Are you one of the ones that posts disparaging comments about tenants on the Inside Housing website with impunity safe in the knowledge that its subscription only.

Its attitudes like yours that got an 18/19 year old lad WHO WORKED NIGHTS, turfed out of bed during a flat inspection.

Before IH became subscription only i saw comments on there about how tenants must all be cannabis growers with something to hide if they ask for a more convenient appointment for the gas safety inspection. Ive lived in SH for 22 years and since these "safety inspections" came in in 98 ive had more no shows than i care to count. Ive tried being flexible and it got me nowhere so now i insist on a time slot I got the appointment letter for this years one yesterday and they insisted on an all day call 8am - 6pm. Well no not after prevoius experiences. I got a time slot but even before i got that they admitted i could be sitting in all day and they may not turn up. My husband is a pensioner with emphysema but im sure like you they just think that we cant be arsed to get up early. I dont currrently work but when i was working they refused to allow for it.

Are you and the HA/LA you work for prepared to put your money where your mouths are and offer out of hours gas safety inspections. Because if not you have simply got what you have asked for. The tenants that fit your out of date working model.

28% of social housing tenants are over 65 ill and/or disabled . My husband is and im his full time carer (im 23 years his junior) Our boiler is right next to the cooker in a poky galley type kitchen so i cant even cook anything until they have been and they have already admitted they may not show.

I really think that its unfortunate that these attitudes towards tenants persist in the sector . It certainly explains the bullying attitude over the gas safety checks.

Is this anti social behaviour a non-London thing? I imagine the crowding in London has led to a lot of functional working families living on estates. We live on one with no problems, and the few other people I know on estates also don't have this problem.

YY chilipepper We dont have those problems either

And they asked me for my national insurance no . and date of birth which they dont normally do.

Er no chili pepper live in bolton on a council estate there is very little anti social behaviour here and we are a functional working family .

I live *

Er no chili pepper

I of course didn't mean either all/most estates outside of London are a problem, or that all/most estates in London are squeaky clean. Just that the housing squeeze in London possibly means a lot more functional working families on estates.

Helena, I don't work "for" a HA or a LA. I also don't post on any of the boards or places you mention.

In case that isn't enough clarity for you I also absolutely have
nothing to do with gas inspections so I have no idea why you feel
so affronted by my post about my field of expertise, my client group and my years of experience working with that client group who just so happens to be exclusively housed in social housing by HA's and the LA.

The truth is often much harder than the very little that I can disclose on here but basically my clients can go running to the rags with their sad face tales of woe, me and the people who work with them can't and won't.

Your words were "Ive worked in this field" and this thread is about social housing.

So what do you actually do because you havent been clear.

www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/nov/18/who-lives-41-million-social-housing-homes-england-wales

What is your client group.

And you often find people only go to the press as a last resort when they have exhausted every other avenue.

x2boys I also live on a nice council estate in Bolton. I like it up here Might even be the same one!

Well I was a home owner until my divorce when he left me and I found myself pregnant and penniless with a 4 year old.
Thank god for social housing. I now have a lovely council house which I have spent a small fortune decorating and making nice. It's my security and independence and every day I'm grateful for it.
I've always worked, never claimed a penny in benefits and given my dc a stable loving home.
I'm now in my 40s and would love to buy again but I'm too old to get a mortgage and as I have no deposit I wouldn't have a hope in hell.
It boils my piss when HA tenants are labelled as benefit scrounging scumbags. They are a minority. All my friends who are HA tenants are the same as me - hard working people who take pride in their home.

If those stupid programmes you mention with such glee kidleypea came to film here they would be gone within two hours . Im childfree by choice Ive never ever been drunk in my life. Im teetotal and ive never touched drugs.

I used to be obese but im not any longer Ive lost 10 stone.

Im not what those programmes are looking for I dont fit their narrative. And neither do lots of my neighbours. The TV crew would be here + gone within two hours.

What a disappointment you are Helena

No London estates are a hue problem- more so than competitive areas I've seen and generally accepted to be far more expensive to run in all benchmarking exercises.

Helena I can't give you my data, it's not for public use. I am assure you, social housing tenants cost more than non Social housing in every scenario and stress test I have seen

Fair enough Bronco That was aimed at Kidley anyway.

No one is attacking you Helena or saying all ha tenants are troublesome. But a minority are.

From the Robert Heath Heating FB Page.

your engineer has exactly 88 minutes to get himself to my property to fix my heating or i shall be billing you again for loss of earnings. So sick of taking the day off to wait in EVERY TIME my boiler needs servicing or because its broken down YET AGAIN and your engineers FAIL TO SHOW UP. EITHER EMPLOY ENOUGH STAFF OR DONT BOTHER TO TENDER FOR THE CONTRACTS

And that is just one example of many. Tenants are fed up with the incompetence of Robert Heath Swale and Liberty Gas.

If HAs want a wider spectrum of tenants (and i still believe the Benefits Street thing is a stereotype) they need to bring the social housing model into the 21st century, and stop operating like its the 1970s. We had a paramedic living on this estate and they found it impossible to book appointments for the HA to come round.

If HAs want so called "decent" tenants they need to start acting like it. But i suspect they wont because that will cost more!!!!!!!!

Robert Heath do not define social housing, and no matter what the people on FB say the majority of people still get their gas safety done first visit. people from all walks of life have problems with companies, British Gas being the most obvious (and awful example) to be honest though, no social renters do tend to have less time to get het up about such things. Complaints levels far far lower even when getting the same service. I think that's a small and minor illustration of the entitlement alluded to earlier from
Some social housing tenants.

Non- social renters that was supposed to say