to be fed up with the bad association people see to have with social housing?

[NoahVale]

PEOPLE at work criticizing the new builds which, shock horror, also contain Social Housing
tales of people complaining that they are buying houses the same as those in social housing

and others putting down social housing residents. of which I am

It's a minority who cause all the trouble basically. The problem is that if they are HA, they are really tough to get out. Impossible typically.

Lived on a development that had a council estate down the road. In the summer, the teenagers from the council estate would come and play on the development at night as it had nicer amenities. No one really minded because the development was mainly childless working adults so were mostly working/in their homes. The problem was that they were SO LOUD - shrieking and genuinely screaming for hours - and they would "play out" until 1am/2am or so on a weekday.

Of course, when you went and said "look no-one minds you playing out here but you could you keep it down as you are waking up everyone on the development", you got abuse and threats in response. They left trash and empty bottles strewn all other place. So the police were called and asbos issued etc so they stopped coming over.

The thing is... there was no reason to actually have the police involved at all! If they would just have just had a tiny bit of RESPECT, then we could have happily co-existed.

But they just had no respect at all, probably because they've never had to work for anything, or know anyone who has. They think everything should be free and since they haven't earned it, they don't value it. Their attitude was that if we coddled them and begged them, then they might behave. I assume because that's how they are treated by schools and social workers. Everyone makes excuses for them, bends over backwards for them. So for them, how dare we ask them to be quieter!

That's got nothing to.do with living on a council.estate teenagers cab be horrible where ever they live I used to own an apartment we had constant trouble with the local.kids and teens using the car park as skate park it was a vair nice area no council houses in sight.

Oh fuck off A11 we are back to no one in social housing has ever done a days work in their lives and their kids are no better judgemental much?

A11 ive lived in my flat for 22 years. Ive also done ten hour night shifts while on my knees with gallstones. So fuck off

At that time the fuckers in the private houses opposite thought nothing of using an angle grinder or wood chipper at 8am .

They are not subsidised rents they are fair rents.

that's a sentence entirely void of meaning. how are they not subsidised? what is "fair rent"? Who determines that? Can I have fair rent?

Why on earth shouldn't people on lower incomes or who have a crap credit score have the opportunity to live in a lovely home?

i am thankful we live in country where people who can't afford a home get housed.

However, i certainly understand the bitterness from people. Why should people with bad credit scores and low incomes get the same standard of housing in the same area as someone who pays market rent? we don't say that about food, teles, or phones.

here is the socialist guardian defending "poor doors" in this article. it makes good sense.

How fucking judgemental are you A11?

It is nigh on impossible to evict ASBO HA tenants.

I once made the mistake of asking a guy to pick up his dog's poo that he had left directly in front of my house. Cue 'stupid cunt', this is the street cleaner's job, mind my own business, etc.

I had a pretty good hunch that it was HA, looked it up on land registry (I was correct), made a complaint to the HA. As it happens, it's a breach of his tenancy to have a dog because he doesn't have a garden. The HA inspector showed up unannounced, saw the dog, ordered him to get rid of the dog to retain the tenancy.

A few weeks later, he showed up at my door, calling me a filthy cunt for grassing him up yada yada, threatening to kill me, etc. I have CCTV, it was a pretty easy case to make. He was arrested for harassment (I think), easily convicted and ordered into anger management courses to retain the tenancy (at the council's expense, naturally).

He's still in his flat, still calls me a filthy cunt when he sees me, still has the dog, still doesn't pick up after the dog.

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Well, do your kids behave like that?

It's clear to me that these kids had those values. As I said at the beginning of my paragraph, its a MINORITY who cause all the trouble but can't be dealt with.

NOT ALL council tenants have those values obviously but some obviously do.

Am right on liberal leaning person so didn't bat an eye lid when social housing tenants placed in little flat next to ours.

Gangsta rap at all hours
Big badly trained staffies leaping fence shitting in our garden and terrifying my pfb (and me tbh)
Drug dealing
Fights in street
Undesirables loitering outside.

Pretty little basement flat with garden in Hampstead utterly, comprehensively trashed. We moved in the end. Was hard to watch. Know not all like this but naive to ignore that some are. Something about human nature if it's provided for you and you havent worked for it easier to take less care?

How exactly do you know that these kids love on council estates A11 have you asked each and every one of them ? Teenagers can be rude and entitled where ever they live I know my nephew is and he lIves in a 4 bed detached house he possibly isn't in public but who knows .

I live in a street which was built as social housing. It's now a mixture of privately owned, privately rented and social housing. I love the diversity of the street - there are retired people, young single parents, low paid workers, a teacher, a pharmacist, a former lawyer and former research scientist who are now SAHPs, students, nurses...

It's a single street surrounded by privately owned houses, in a generally pretty naice area. The local schools are the sort that people move to get their kids into. And by living where I do, we can afford three double bedrooms, a garden, a SAHP and live in a great area within walking distance of the city centre.

I just feel bad that my house is owned and that there are fewer council properties as a result. I live near a university, so most landlords who own houses suitable for families rent them out to students for more money, and renting is really insecure. One of DD's school friends has just left the school because the landlord of the house she lived in evicted her family and they couldn't find another family house in the area.

I live in a street which was built as social housing. It's now a mixture of privately owned, privately rented and social housing. I love the diversity of the street - there are retired people, young single parents, low paid workers, a teacher, a pharmacist, a former lawyer and former research scientist who are now SAHPs, students, nurses...

Like Kerala I was a proper progressive before I moved into my current neighbourhood. What I've found is that the exalted vision of nurses, doctors, plumbers, teachers, barristers, low-wage workers, etc cohabitating peacefully doesn't actually exist. It might outside of London, or outside of the SE, but these regions have become a combustible mix of haves and have-nots.

Locking the middle classes out of London is a mistake of epic proportions.

When you live next door to essentially the Jeremy Kyle show it's easy to pop onto right move and before you know it you are no longer in central London but living in a middle class enclave in a small cathedral city. With neighbours that make jam and play classical music - very quietly. Bliss.

I think it's just that the worst of SH tenants are truly appalling and ruin it for everyone else.
It's like the threads about travellers - anti social behaviour is really in your face and frightening so you notice that and not the majority getting on with life peacefully.

Im a homeowner on a HA estate and genuinely dont experience any problems. All my neighbours and normal, decent people. My immediate downstairs neighbour is prone to shouting and making vexatious complaints about us to the HA but its not really her fault- shes on strong steroids for a heart condition and shes not altogether rational. Everyone else is fine.
As a kid, I grew up on an estate with some genuinely unpleasant families. We were physically and verbally attacked, had eggs thrown at the house etc. Very frightening for a child. Police and housing association were not helpful. I remember my mum being told that there was no point arresting the culprits as they would only make counter allegations and they would have to arrest us as well! I suspect their attitude would have been different if the victims were middle class.
Even then, we're talking about 2 families out of several hundred though. Plus I think HAs understanding of antisocial behaviour has improved since then.
Some of the stuff on this thread I would not consider to be properly anti social to be honest: untidy houses, children playing in the street, washing on balconies. I couldnt get worked up about this tbh. Even bulky rubbish in gardens is understandable if families cant afford bulk uplift.
I think this thread shows the difficulty in the current system of token social housing in upmarket estates. There seems to be a mutual social distance, lack of understanding and yes, snobbery. Id much rather be the token (lower) middle class homeowner on my predominantly working class estate than the token oik where you guys live!

Comments like this one... even one lady in hiding from her drug dealer boyfriend ( he found her!!) make me despair. Where the fuck would you like this victim of a crime to live? The moon? Or just not in your back yard.

My road consists of a mixture of family owner/occupiers, multi occupier private rents and a few SH tenants.

Who are the problem children? The private renters. Treat the place like it's some kind of communal tip. Incapable it seems of knowing which bins are collected when, park like they never learned how to parallel park and generally act like twats.

A few years ago, I lived on a fairly notorious council estate, as far as I could see, quite a lot of the problems were from outsiders coming along to view the "caged animals" and cause trouble.

Also, in my experience, drug dealers and other people operating on the wrong side of the law, tend to pay their own rent. Fewer people looking at them that way. But always good to see the usual stereotypes being pedalled, reaffirms the demographic of the site

Doesn't it just Palmer I have lived in my council house just over a yr now I did own a property well.had a mortgage but circumstances change we had some financial problems and ds2 has disabilities so I had to give up more yo be his carer out estate I'd fine it's not the best but it's by know means the worst ,most families have at least one working adult ,I would say maybe 20% of the homes are owner occupied you can tell because all our roofs were replaced recently and the ones that weren't are privately owned I have seen no trouble in the last 12 months ,I, m sure there's some but there is everywhere.

In a lot of cases its the HA not taking care of the property. Ive heard some bloody awful horror stories about Hyde.

We have a housing problem here in WA. At one time a local building company had problems selling a set of three storey units they had built in quite a pricey area, with local access to hospitals, primary school and good transport, so the govt social housing project bought them up and placed tenants in them.

A local newspaper ran an article on this after the tenants had moved in. It would appear that quite a few of the tenants had been living in a caravan park while being on the housing project list for more than five years, and were not youngsters. Presumably this meant that they could be easily assessed on how neat and tidy they were when interviewed in their previous home and could check with the manager of the caravan site about any issues that might have occured.

Residential caravan sites over here are rapidly being closed down due to rising land prices, so tenants on the housing waiting list are probably in danger of being evicted through no fault of their own. Anyway,they fit into the neighborhood without any problems, so it can be done with the right selection process.

I can hear some people saying, but it should be equal, others have been on the waiting list longer etc.etc. Yes but some social housing tenants over here are simply too obnoxious to be anywhere but alone on a desert island.

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a ONE THOUSAND % hike on service charges.

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Problem is as others have said is HA and councils dont evict problem tenants so the ones who do cause issues people know if they are unlucky to come across one then they cant do anything about it.
I was harrassed for years by a tenant with the same HA as me, he breached his tenancy by smoking weed, which he was raided for and putting down laminate flooring. He was recorded stamping on the floor several times at me which even the noise recording listeners said it sounds purposely yet he still remained and my HA suggested rugs and mediation.
I moved in the end and now live in peace but based off that experience and another if i had the money to buy I wouldn't with HA tenants. Just being honest.

My parents area was nice until the houses across the road became social housing and nobheads moved in. Now it's a 'rough street'. Gardens full of shite, arguing at all hours.

We used to live on a 'rough' council housing estate but never had this, people tried their hardest to make best of what they had and it was nice. Then my parents bought their own house and it all went to shit when the houses across the road turned into council flats. I've known quite a few people who have moved into them and had to have words (small area) and stop causing trouble but there's only so much you can do. Got to the point where my stepdad had to go round, one we had to go round 4 days later we had to go back because they'd abandoned their poor dog and it hadn't ate for a while, couldn't tolerate solids poor thing.

I also do not agree with long term tenancy's and i am actually an assured tenant. Reason being there seems to be in my experience a self entitlement of people who live in social housing long term.

When i first move into an estate it was new so everyone got there at the same time. I had the pissing in lifts/abandoned car issues but besides that for 5 years was there happy, no problems with neighbours.

Had to move out due to something and was transfered by same HA to a converted property, tenant upstairs had chased out 4 people before me, nobody stayed there longer than a year due to her "ive been here 13yrs" rubbish

Move again
Then i met the above male tenant i mentioned same thing "ive been here 10yrs"
And everyone who lived in my flat was chased out by him.
He used to constantly say to me and the HA how "he was going to buy this flat but not with me there"
So if you have enough to buy a flat in london why are you still occupying a HA flat?
And he probably did have the money since he didnt ever go anywhere but to work and home. Was a loner but he will occupy that 1 bedroom forever probably when someone else in need could have it who isnt an arsehole and breaks the tenancy.

Its like some people dont realise whether you have been in your HA 1 year or 100yrs you have no more rights than anyone who has been there less time then you.

Now i live below a nice considerate woman, never had no problems, she came a few months after me so there is no self entitlement there.

Just my opinion.