to be fed up with the bad association people see to have with social housing?

[NoahVale]

PEOPLE at work criticizing the new builds which, shock horror, also contain Social Housing
tales of people complaining that they are buying houses the same as those in social housing

and others putting down social housing residents. of which I am

No one is saying all ha tenants are problematic but naive to ignore that a minority are.

One family ruined our and many other people's living environment. 2 dogs died in their care. It seemed to us that they were infantilised. Everything was paid for so they didn't have to work or behave as adults. Despite being adults they lived like 14 year olds.

does it? maybe they, like the Scot, should move to where their skills are in more demand and pay is in line with housing prices (which are universally outrageous now).

I agree with you in principle, but we have no way of knowing that your Scot is more skilled or in demand than the current residents. You'll also be accused of social cleansing.

One family ruined our and many other people's living environment. 2 dogs died in their care. It seemed to us that they were infantilised. Everything was paid for so they didn't have to work or behave as adults. Despite being adults they lived like 14 year olds.

I agree about the infantilisation. I mentioned upthread a bit about my run-in with my HA neighbour - I had a housing officer come by to take a statement from me after I reported his ASBO behaviour.

The poor house officer was visibly embarrassed at a lot of the statements he was making, for example: They couldn't force him to get ride of his dog despite it being a breach of his tenancy (it was a bedsit with no access) and having a police muzzle order from a previous offense because he'd made the case that it would exacerbate his anger management issues that the council was paying for him to resolve.

These are the kinds of allowances that parents make for young children.

^bedsit with no garden access

I agree with you in principle, but we have no way of knowing that your Scot is more skilled or in demand than the current residents. You'll also be accused of social cleansing.

of course we do. an employer has decided to pay the Scot for his/her skills. that's the best way to know the demand for skills.

of course we do. an employer has decided to pay the Scot for his/her skills. that's the best way to know the demand for skills.

What if the local residents also moved there for a job? All we know is that they are residents and the local council is responsible for housing them should they become homeless - they have no such obligation to the Scot.

Why shouldn't me and my husband get a good chance at getting a house where we live? Why should we be pushed out because of housing?

My husband has lived here all his life and we have a family support network for our child too. I work in the county.

Many of our friends are in the same situation. Paying private rent.
I've rented for 12 years now!

So too bloody right I should get first dibs over being able to buy part of a house in my local area.

Why shouldn't me and my husband get a good chance at getting a house where we live? Why should we be pushed out because of housing?

I don't think you should, but that should be done with a stable housing market which responds properly to changes in demographics. I don't want people to be priced out their neighbourhoods.

But the way it is currently done has all sorts of huge downsides. It encourages nimbyism because locals get priority and, of course, the big downside is the vast amount of public money being spent to house people. The public cost of housing in this country is astronomical and getting worse daily. Think of what we could do with the massive housing bill we have.

All we know is that they are residents and the local council is responsible for housing them should they become homeless - they have no such obligation to the Scot.

different issue. has nothing to do with which skills are in demand.

My husband has lived here all his life and we have a family support network for our child too. I work in the county.

I find this really infantilizes the British population. This is an issue faced by every immigrant (my family included). How is that a Pole who may not speak the language very well be able to deal with this, yet a british person born and raised here can't? This is again why I disagree with this nativist policy - it disadvantages the people who ought to need more help.

I find this really infantilizes the British population. This is an issue faced by every immigrant (my family included). How is that a Pole who may not speak the language very well be able to deal with this, yet a british person born and raised here can't? This is again why I disagree with this nativist policy - it disadvantages the people who ought to need more help.

But this overlooks an important practical issue - the council is responsible for the people who are already there. It might bear repeating that I agree with you in principle.

the council is responsible for the people who are already there. It might bear repeating that I agree with you in principle.

I understand the council is responsible for this. What I am saying I don't think it should be the case because it leads to all the problems we see. For example, unfortunately for everyone else in the same council as me, the council is now responsible for me as well.

I agree with you

From InsideHousing Live Feed:
Housing association 'fat cat' stories in the press are not unusual, but the latest one - which broke over the Bank Holiday weekend without causing too much of a stir - appears to show UKIP has identified the sector's pay as a vote winner.
The party has commissioned a report which takes aim at pay and an alleged failure to control anti-social behaviour. Part of a plan to woo disgruntled social tenants?
Suzanne Evans, for Ukip, told the Sun: "Most housing association tenants will be horrified to know that while they’re struggling to pay the bills, their landlords are on average paying bosses 51 times what they hand over in rent."

HA do not follow their own tenacys in regarxs to ASB's they only care if you dont pay rent.
Until more people sue their HA over their lack of support regarding ASB's and leaving useless managers who pick and choose who they believe like they are a judge then the stigma of people not wanting to be near HA tenants will always remain.

Fuckity I do a similar job to you. I have done this for many years and I can tell you it is well known amongst HAs, developers and probably councils that a social housing estate will cost you more to run due to these issues (costs of rubbish/ graffiti removal/ vandalism etc) as much as people want to give examples of great HA tenants and rubbish private tenants the data in no way supports that. That is, presumably exactly where the stereotype comes from, that other people have observed this over the years

I had never heard about this (housing estates having a certain % of HA stock) until my db was buying a house in another part of the country and the surveyor "warned" them about it, as the house they were buying was in close proximity to a HA one. When I queried this with DM she said "well, you wouldn't want to be living next to one of them, would you?" That was interesting as we lived in a council estate for several years after my parents split up.

TV programmes such as Benefit Street and that crap on channel 5 have only served the purpose of increasing fear/anxiety levels of "plebs" which many people stereotype into HA type of people.

In saying that, it might work both ways. I was in a women's community forum where women from all over the country would get together, share skills, discuss issues with local government etc. One issue that was raised time and time again was women from HA developments complaining that they objected to private housing being built near them. They claimed to feel intimidated by them (the potential home owners) so I suppose stereotyping/othering is the real problem.

There have been a hugely disproportionate number of problems with the HA and social residents, including fly tipping, anti-social behaviour, vandalism, dumped cars and rubbish left in communal areas.

I live in an ex-council block (bought from the RTBer), in a nice bit of Zone 2, London. In our block of 24(?) flats, of which about half are privately owned, most people are just fine, rub along OK etc, but there are 2 - 3 people / families that consistently set fire to bins, dump cars, fly tip, wee in the lift, act in an anti-social way.

Can we just pause for a moment and think about the entitlement of the person who undoes their trews and wees in a communal lift 10m from their own bathroom?

However hard-line it sounds, I'd like to see a "3 warnings and you're out" system. I don't care to where, frankly. "Right to housing" doesn't mean you can act without consequence, indefinitely. The council has muttered about terminating leases, and I hope they act on it.

Most HAs do pretty much have a 3 strikes or less and you're out rule since they're not legally obliged to house anyone. However, how can you prove who pissed in the lift?

Interesting bronco, I didn't know that. Is it the same with councils?

I don't know how you can prove who wees or doesn't in the lift. I'd go with CCTV, though others might find that excessive.

It so, so enrages me. I can't understand why anyone would wee in a lift.

Councils less so, because they are legally obliged to house people. So if they evict them, they'll likely only have to house them elsewhere.

(Every HA has its own rules by the way- some would only warn once, some wouldn't do anything)

I live in an ex-council block (bought from the RTBer), in a nice bit of Zone 2, London. In our block of 24(?) flats, of which about half are privately owned, most people are just fine, rub along OK etc, but there are 2 - 3 people / families that consistently set fire to bins, dump cars, fly tip, wee in the lift, act in an anti-social way.

hmmm. same boat and harbour here, although it seems like we don't have the same problem with anti-social behaviour. we do have a few problems with graffiti and drug use, but that's it, but i don't think either are caused by residents (not that I know).

The entitlement culture: when we bought we also bought from RTB people who purchased the place for pennies about 20 years ago. They were in a bit of a rush to sell and couldn't understand why we were "fussing" (their actual words) with things like surveys and solicitors. Well, yes, we are fussing because we are paying full market value.

I work with a client group that is largely housed in social housing and there is no way I would want any of them living anywhere near where I live.

Almost all of them have zero idea or inclination to keep their living spaces clean, I'm talking basic levels of hygiene (taking bins out, not storing shitty nappies in the bedroom) pots and pans with mould growing out of them having been left for Lord only knows how long.

Multiple children who have no routine, structure or any form of interaction with their parents unless they are screaming at them or professing how much they love them at child protection meetings.

Variety of unsavoury and unsuitable aquaintences entering or leaving their properties at all hours of the day and night.

These people will get housed by the local authority or HA and will carry on doing what they currently do. At some point the kids may or may not be removed but the entitlement and the whinging and how it's everyone else's fault will not. They will have access to courses, treatments, parenting help, anger management courses, DV courses, tenamcy courses, support from
Volunteers and professionals and on and on it goes. Does it change things or improve the outcomes for these families ?, not in any significant or meaningful way. Difference is they can go screaming to the papers and the media when ever they like. Generally HA and LA can't.

Tough job kidley

Kidley the worst and most antisocial neighbours I ever had was when prvately renting. He owned his massive house next door and there we're constant problems with people coming and going, he was also not a very nice man... definitely. It someone you would want to get in the wrong side of. Eventually he pissed off the wrong people and at a later date was shot dead (no grieving here I can tell you).

In co trust my current social housing neighbour's are a dream. They are friendly, supportive and caring.

You work with a very small subset of people who nobody would want next door to them. You would not have wanted my deceased neighbour who was wealthy either.