to be fed up with the bad association people see to have with social housing?

[NoahVale]

PEOPLE at work criticizing the new builds which, shock horror, also contain Social Housing
tales of people complaining that they are buying houses the same as those in social housing

and others putting down social housing residents. of which I am

The home during the day thing makes me chuckle as well. I work outside school hours deliberately to avoid the off school headache and husband condenses his shifts into 4 days over the weekend. Its bloody great when the kids are at school and we get the house to ourselves.

But people knocking would chuck assumptions all over the shop judging by this thread

On my street of 8 houses, 1 is privately owned, the rest Council rented (mine included), there are two very problematic households. The rest are lovely, decent, hardworking, community spirited blah blah. So 2/7 = high percentage of, to put it politely, 'problem neighbours'.

gamerchick there will be the well in London you have no chance 9f being offered a council. House unless you are an out of work homeless family with ten kids or have been on the list for fifty yrs brigade soon forgetting we don't all live in london and social.housing isn't in short supply everywhere.

^Alas, some of us live in London, where social housing has become a resting place for the chronically unemployed. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that it's a laboratory for unsociable behaviour.

Lets be honest...if you were paying £2000 a month for a mortgage and you had someone next door, not working and paying next to nothing for the exact same house, you'd be pissed off. Why bother going to work if you can have a very similar lifestyle by being subsidised.

2 grand a month, where the fuck to you live?

ff. Why bother going to work if you can have a very similar lifestyle by being subsidised

Right so give it a shot then if it's that cushty? Give up work and you can live the life of Riley. Sorted.

They are not subsidised rents they are fair rents.

angelos believe me if an owner occupier is next door to an HA house its not the tenants the owner occupier should be worried about. As you can see by some of the info on this thread.

At the risk of sounding very narrow minded, maybe a trifle snobby, my street is a mix.

The outside of most of the HA houses is hideous - broken doors, litter, dog faeces even old mattresses and broken furniture i've spotted before in one or two gardens.
I don't suppose the insides are much better.

The tenants don't bother me directly, but, I have and do regularly hear heated, drunken street arguments well into the early hours from certain families and police cars are a common sight.

You would think that people would be so grateful to get a cheap property that they would take excellent care of it and be on their absolute best behaviour, but at least here, that doesn't seem to be the case.

angelos believe me if an owner occupier is next door to an HA house its not the tenants the owner occupier should be worried about. As you can see by some of the info on this thread.

I guess you've skipped any posts to the contrary.

Apple i have already conceded the point in my post that mentions the 1990s Selective reading much?

However these tenants are in the minority as it was proved when the Joseph Rowntree foundation couldnt find these families.

I find it more than galling that on this pivotal day nothing has changed If you are working class you get thought of as "less than" and ppl are very ready to believe lies as evidenced upthread by the council breaking into a tenants flat with bailiffs based on an engineers say so.

Social housing tenant/ working class = liar in many peoples books.

Helena this might knock some wind out of your narrative, but the vast majority of homeowners would be delighted to see the local HA properties going to working class people.

That's an ageist statement and a nasty one gamerchick you DO of course realise that if older people in SH had more properties like those bungalows to move into they could free up their larger properties and let a family have them , my dad lives by himself in a three bed HA home which is too big for him, but there is nothing for him to downsize to, a bungalow like the ones you describe would be perfect, he would move in a heartbeat and there would be a lovely three bed house with two bathrooms and a large garden for a family, but that family will have to stay put in a too small home, or in emergency accommodation because he cant move and his HA cant make him move

Oldsu your post has given me a thought Im childfree by choice Ive never wanted to be a parent. DH and i live in a one bedroom flat Fine No problem. But if more tenants took the right wing advice and didnt have kids wouldnt there be even less one bedroom places because those tenants wouldnt need to move on to a bigger place.

Just a thought.

I'm working-class, but have never lived in a council house as both my parents worked and it's hard to get into the system if you're both working.

Sadly, my home town is like The Daily Mail's wet dream. It has three housing estates which most people wouldn't touch with a barge-pole. The reasons why are obvious, and have been highlighted in this thread. In some towns, like mine, people think that they have a 'right' to a house, and once they get one, they won't move. It's not their fault really. There are no jobs for the working-class and the government couldn't care less about them. Despite this, I'd be homeless before I lived with them.

Are you calling 55 old like oldsu ?

Heh if you think that was nasty and your feels are that fragile, how do you leave the house everyday?

Renting is very expensive where I live.... £1000 a month for a three bed and there are 3 and a half thousand people on the council waiting list. I am band B due to my health and work full time. I bid on a three bed as the difference in rent is enormous.... they are £9o a week and 124 other families bid on it. I wasn't even in the top 20. The 'nice' ones just Don't come up that often....

Let's not pretend that anti social behaviour and social housing don't have any correlation whatsoever. Not one person on here has posted that they lived in mixed private and HA and there wasn't issues which is quite sad but a truth regardless. I don't know what the issue with calling a spade a spade is. New builds serve a purpose too. The concept of huge tower blocks is outdated. We need to be building housing people can be proud to live in. If you treated your old home like crap you shouldn't be given a new build. If you are on HB for whatever reason you have the right to decent housing but bloody respect the property FFS. I don't think because you are onHB you shoudnt be rehoused but yes working families who struggle should have priority. Perhaps if they did we would have a different culture and attitude regarding social housing. Half the estates here in London weren't even that horrid architecturally until people with no home pride moved in and literally destroyed them. The same will happen with new builds.....They won't be so new in a few years if some sort of vetting isn't done. Housing benefit or not......that's your bloody home. Respect it. Why does the fact that your bank account has less than your neighbour dictate whether you pee in a lift or not ? Or fly tip or not ? Or play loud music or not? Some people complain about being judged but readily live up to every damn stereotype possible.
And am I the only one who thinks we dont actually have a lack of stock of social housing, just an inefficient system.
As someone who has lived in social housing all my life I can honestly say for every person who genuinley earns a low wage there is another whose circumstances have changed for the better and who doesn't need their flat anymore and haven't for a while.
I have a friend who has left her 900k Victorian council flat sitting there as the council paid her rent and she made up with her partner and liked his flat enough so couldn't be bothered to move. I have another friend who was put on the waiting list at 16 and got a flat 7 years later despite being graduate and being perfectly capable of housing herself. Another friends mum has a lovely georgian which is empty as all kids have moved out. She earns 30k and pays 650 a month. That's all about to change with pay to stay but I will say bitterness and jealousy about some social housing tenants isn't unwarranted. Especially since the system literally looks like luck sometimes.
And as for the immigration comments I must say there is a algerian family in DDs school who have been given a 5 bed Edwardian who don't speak a word of English and it did nibble at me. Just a little. Not saying because you have no money you should live in a shit hole but why is it only working people get what they pay for ?????????????????

Angelos - conpletely wrong, just because I don't own my home doesn't mean I don't invest money into it. I still have to live here and make it look nice abs presentable. I've invested more money into the house than my landlord. Just because he expects me to live in a shithole doesn't mean I will.

Angelos - completely wrong, just because I don't own my home doesn't mean I don't invest money into it. I still have to live here and make it look nice abs presentable. I've invested more money into the house than my landlord. Just because he expects me to live in a shithole doesn't mean I will.

There are around 35 houses on my street. I think 4 or 5 are housing association, the rest are privately owned (owner occupied in most cases I think). Two have very messy gardens which you can't help but notice. One hosts the neighbourhood junkie, with constant police presence, antisocial behaviour etc. All three of those are privately owned properties. I could make generalisations about home owners vs social housing tenants... but that's only acceptable on way isn't it?

Apologies, *one way

I live on a new build development in a shared ownership house, which we bought when we moved and gave up our HA flat. Our development has about 30/40% of social housing. The development has been mixed in, so the social housing isn’t too heavily concentrated in one area but it is fairly obvious to spot some which are clearly HA as the tenants have zero respect for the properties, a general trend seems to be scruffy gardens, children’s toys/bikes everywhere, hanging out the windows for a cigarette, etc! Some of the tenants clearly do take care of the houses, but the ones that don’t bring down the whole road/area.

On our road, is the S/O properties, a couple of HA houses, some HA flats and the rest are privately owned. The only trouble we have had on the entire road is from the HA flats (occasions of screaming matches spilling out onto the street and loitering around on the road) and one of the privately owned houses. The family in the privately owned house are idiots, who seem to think they can do what they want and everyone else should just put up with it!

Our S/O house backs onto some of the most expensive houses on the development and there is definitely a family who live in one of the houses that has an issue with us being “social housing” as they make it very clear we are “below them”! We actually overheard them talking one day (when they didn’t realise we were also in our garden) that they needed to relocate their patio as they didn’t want the “council people” being able to see them.

Sadly to say, I have lived in a couple of HA owned properties over the years and there has always been at least one other family in HA properties that have caused problems and it’s always been the ones that don’t work and have loads of children (so the stereotypical HA tenant!).

But that's the minority RedBlu of course there will be some problem families in social housing as it's the cheapest option for councils but the vast majority respect their homes we have some problems with fly tipping on my estate it's horrible and filthy but I don't think it's the majority just 9ne or two spoiling it for others .

"I have another friend who was put on the waiting list at 16 and got a flat 7 years later despite being graduate and being perfectly capable of housing herself"

WTF does it matter to you if she chooses to rent or buy? You do know that not everyone wants a mortgage or can afford one. There might be something going on that shes not telling you possibly because she senses what kind of friend you really are.

Whether someone rents or buys is nothing to do with anyone else. You also have contradicted yourself in your post because you havent approved of others getting these properties either. So pray tell me who do you think should be getting them nappy slayer. Not your friend who clearly needs a new friend to replace you.

And going by your user name you have kids. Do you get Child Benefit? Because if you do, as a childfree by choice person i could easily say that i begrudge you getting it but i dont because im not like you.